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Old 11-24-2013, 08:03 AM   #16
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also wondering about experience with smoke coming in from fireplace and also being sucked into basement one when having fire in living room. i have looked up a lot of info on this and read a lot about negative pressure vs back draft etc...ive tried opening doors etc. but really defeats part of having fire when really cold out and didn't seem to fix whole lot either. not sure exactly what im experiencing but as far as smoke going into other flu would extending one higher than the other help in this do you think? as they are both at same height and only inches apart. it seems odd because basement is pretty tight should be any draw coming from that flu unless furnace turns on......hmmm... maybe that's what happened that real bad night haha... and secondly would a good insert fix some of that roll out smoke im experiencing here that happens at least a couple times every fire? It seems to me it would as fire would be inside glass doors with a more efficient flu attached than what there possibly?
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:50 AM   #17
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Generally speaking, placing any kind of "sheild" between the 2 flues at the top of the chimney is nothing more than a band-aid. You'd be better off intruding fresh air to both FP's in my opinion.

These were my prefered method when we still used fresh air intakes:


http://www.vestalmfg.com/PDF/OA-OutsideAirKit.pdf


Obviously, these are relatively hard to retro-fit into an existing FP, but having a decent HVAC guy come out and run a duct close to the FP would certainly help.

On the last few FP's we've built, we've actually eliminated the fresh-air's, as they FP's are almost always buillt in relatively large custom homes that already have a air-to-air exchanger/heat recovery fresh air unit that's far more precise at metering the fresh air into the house..........
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Old 11-26-2013, 09:26 PM   #18
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So I guess that's an option just not sure it's way I'll go. Real hard to figure out what is causing it. I mean it is a ranch so only 1 story and I wonder if that's part of problem. But no major obstructions on any side. Odd thing is will burn nice for hour or so then all sudden smoke will roll into room for few minutes. I'm not sure if its when flames die down a bit cause it ? When flames barreling up flu seems all suck right out but still shouldn't happen. And even with basement fireplace sealed up ( pretty good , plywood with weather stripping around perimeter) I can still smell smoke around it if I put my head down to it. So many problems not even sure where to start ..... Ugh.
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Old 11-27-2013, 06:05 AM   #19
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Do you have forced air heat? Might it be possible the heat of the fireplace running for a while happens to coincide with the blower for the HVAC coming on and upsetting the air balance somewhat? A quick test would be to turn off the HVAC and get a fire going. Wait a few minutes past the point of the smoke problem and then bring the HVAC back on again. See if the smoke happens again. This might be the long-way around to determining a local fresh air intake might need to be professionally added to the fireplace(s).

Tangentially, how windy is it there? Might there be a lot of wind causing problems with the top of the chimney and how it drafts?

I think at this point you're probably advised to call in a chimney & HVAC specialist. It's entirely possible there's something really obvious in the design of the fireplace and FLUE (not spelled 'flu') that can't be overcome without actual repair.

For additional perspective, is your house one of many in the neighborhood that uses the same model/floorplan? If so then knock on the door of your neighbors with the same model, introduce yourself and ask them about how their fireplace has been working, and what they might have had done to it. You could learn it's a known problem and cut quickly to getting the best fix done.
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Thank you , great advise. And I did spell it wrong all over! Ha. Anyway not particularly windy no, I hAve turned furnace off last 4-5 fires and cracked a window with pretty good results however still get at least one good roll out of smoke per fire. I have a professional here and I really liked him been doing it since 1974 (year I was born!) and he had a feeling due to design draft may not be great (in basement fireplace owner had bolted a metal hood/sheild to top to hold smoke in I guess). His overall thoughts were inserts would fix all problems and although I originally wanted open fires I'm leaning towards the efficiency of inserts but wondering if smoke will still occasionally come in through open doors or even around edges id insert. I mean I'm shocked that it comes in at all because the draft will suck a lighter right out most times ! And I'm also shocked that with basement basically sealed off that I can still smell smoke around edges of board I put up , I mean there's no real draw down to it how is smoke still getting down a pretty well sealed flue?! Oh well I'll keep searching and maybe call sweep back and ask couple more questions if he remembers me. He was supposed to send me estimate but think he ran when I seemed set in fixing both to be open not inserts!
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:23 AM   #21
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It's not unheard of to have smoke leak back into the basement through the clean out door at the base of the chimney.

A decent insert should certainly solve your problems. I'd highly suggest installing fresh air to the insert as well.......
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:34 AM   #22
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But it's coming down from flue not clean out as I don't have one. I wonder if extending the living room one would offset them enough to fix that ?
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:56 AM   #23
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Thank you , great advise. And I did spell it wrong all over! Ha. Anyway not particularly windy no, I hAve turned furnace off last 4-5 fires and cracked a window with pretty good results however still get at least one good roll out of smoke per fire. I have a professional here and I really liked him been doing it since 1974 (year I was born!) and he had a feeling due to design draft may not be great (in basement fireplace owner had bolted a metal hood/sheild to top to hold smoke in I guess). His overall thoughts were inserts would fix all problems and although I originally wanted open fires I'm leaning towards the efficiency of inserts but wondering if smoke will still occasionally come in through open doors or even around edges id insert. I mean I'm shocked that it comes in at all because the draft will suck a lighter right out most times ! And I'm also shocked that with basement basically sealed off that I can still smell smoke around edges of board I put up , I mean there's no real draw down to it how is smoke still getting down a pretty well sealed flue?! Oh well I'll keep searching and maybe call sweep back and ask couple more questions if he remembers me. He was supposed to send me estimate but think he ran when I seemed set in fixing both to be open not inserts!
I didn't say crack a window to do the test. The point of my suggestion was to try and detect if the HVAC blower was involved in the problem. It may help shed light on whether there are larger problems involved. While it's unlikely you have a fresh-air make-up setup installed, who knows what else may have been done to the house before your ownership?

If you want an open fire then it's certainly do-able. I would not make the leap to inserts just yet. Figure out what's wrong FIRST.

The key is finding someone local to come out and honestly and accurately explain what's wrong with the current setup. Clearly there's more to your situation that is readily explainable on an internet forum. Get a real fireplace expert, not just some chimney sweep, to evaluate your setup and explain why it's acting that way. Expect to pay them for this service call. Paying for this independent of any potential purchases is often key to getting an honest assessment of the problem.

Once you know THAT then you can start to look into effective solutions.
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