Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Concrete, Stone & Masonry

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-30-2012, 09:06 AM   #1
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 7
Rewards Points: 10
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


I'm installing a new paver walkway, and I have questions about the edge restraint. I expect to use the plastic edge restraint that one nails with spikes.

So far, I have dug out the walkway, installed 4 inches of RCA (recycled concrete aggregate), and compacted the RCA. The finished walkway will be 46" wide, and the RCA is 58" to allow 6" on each side. I put landscape fabric under the RCA, with enough hanging out to continue around under the sod that will be on the outer 6" sections beyond the walkway. The walkway is a total of 503 square feet, i.e. over 100 feet long. It is curvey, with no straight sections.

Next I'm ready to buy and install the edge restraint. But I haven't found a product that I like!

I expected to be able to place the edge restraint directly on top of the RCA, nail it in place, then add 1" of bedding sand ONLY ON THE INSIDE, BETWEEN THE EDGE RESTRAINTS, then place the pavers on top. (Then compact and then add polymeric sand.) This arrangement appears here.

However, the edge restraints that I have found for sale are only 1.65 inches high. Now, with 1" of sand, this means that only 0.65 inches of the plastic will catch on the sides of the pavers. This doesn't seem sufficient to me.

Any ideas?

Thanks. Andy

Andy54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2012, 09:25 AM   #2
Member
 
concretemasonry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota - Latitude 45.057 Longitude -93.074
Posts: 3,819
Rewards Points: 2,126
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


There are many types of edge restraints that are commonly used, but your supplier chooses to only offer the minimal grass/garden types. You can use the deeper flexible plastic, steel or aluminum and then spike it in from the outside.

Normally the sand setting bed is a uniform 1" thick (uncompacted and just screeded off the edging restraint) concrete sand. The pavers are set tight and fine sand (masonry sand with NO cement) lightly spread over the surface and then everything is vibrated with a plate vibrator to true up the paver surface and draw the surface and bedding sand into the joints to create the interlocking strength and stability. Just sweep it clean when done. There is really no need for the polymeric sand and it is rarely used on major paver installations like driveways, streets and especially not used on heavy-duty large commercial installations, but you can always use it if it is already on site

Dick

concretemasonry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2012, 01:08 PM   #3
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Va Beach, VA
Posts: 237
Rewards Points: 150
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


Quote:
Originally Posted by concretemasonry View Post
There is really no need for the polymeric sand
Dick
Wont the wash sand wash away in time and leave gaps in the joints, leaving them open to have grass seed blow in and cause growth?
TRUEPRO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-30-2012, 01:56 PM   #4
Member
 
concretemasonry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota - Latitude 45.057 Longitude -93.074
Posts: 3,819
Rewards Points: 2,126
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


No it will not wash away of the pavers are laid with tight joints. - You could have a problem with clay brick because of the tolerances and variations possible.

Look at the Interlocking Concrete Paving Institute web site (icpi.org) for all technical information and installation options that is based on decades of use.

Dick
concretemasonry is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to concretemasonry For This Useful Post:
TRUEPRO (06-30-2012)
Old 06-30-2012, 02:25 PM   #5
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Hartfield VA
Posts: 27,518
Rewards Points: 4,152
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


I'd be using the metal one's not plastic. They come in green brown and black.
joecaption is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 10:04 AM   #6
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 7
Rewards Points: 10
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


Thanks for the replies. I'll hunt further for an edging that's higher than 1.75".
Andy
Andy54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-01-2012, 11:42 AM   #7
Member
 
concretemasonry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota - Latitude 45.057 Longitude -93.074
Posts: 3,819
Rewards Points: 2,126
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


No one is hiding the deeper/higher restraint since it is used routinely everywhere.

The steel and aluminum could be coil that is usually available in different thicknesses and "heights". Also some aluminum can be anodized, but sine the edge retrain is not really seen, it is not worth the concerns and complications.

If you need just a few feet, you will be limited when it comes to sources.

Dick
concretemasonry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2012, 03:31 PM   #8
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 7
Rewards Points: 10
Default

Edge restraint on new paver walkway


I ended up using the short edging. It's 1.65 inches high. My bedding sand layer is 7/8-inch (the diameter of electrical conduit that I'm using to help maintain accurate thickness) ... so this leaves 3/4 inch of edging holding the sides of the pavers. I used 196 feet, at $1.02 per running foot. And I used 200 steel 10-inch spikes, at $0.32 each. OK, the steel ones will rust ... but they are much cheaper, and the spikes become less important after the whole arrangement has settled in and the grass is against it.

I checked about six local masonry supply shops. Only one had anything taller ... and that was steel and heavy, at $6 per foot ... designed for road construction.

Thx again for all the replies.

Andy

Andy54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where do you buy paver edge restraints htabbas Concrete, Stone & Masonry 1 05-19-2012 11:41 AM
Need advice on where to put the paver walkway in the backyard htabbas Landscaping & Lawn Care 11 10-30-2011 12:34 AM
Raising paver walkway 2-3 inches GBP fan Landscaping & Lawn Care 4 08-13-2011 10:34 AM
Paver walkway, gas meter in the way ken_ Landscaping & Lawn Care 3 07-30-2011 11:58 PM
Installing stone paver walkway lkitchings Landscaping & Lawn Care 9 02-15-2011 10:11 AM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.