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Old 04-14-2013, 08:11 PM   #1
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Has anyone built wood steps over existing concrete steps? I have a unit with concrete steps (3) leading to a front porch. The ice and salt have destroyed them this year and a full removal is doable but I was debating just building treated steps over the top.... I think I could simply drill and mount the new treads and risers directly to what's left of the steps.... Any vets on this project??

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Got a picture?
Pressure treated wood will rot if there's no way for it to dry out on both sides.
Composite will mold up if there's no air flow under it.
Reguler rock salt will distroy any material given enough time.
Should have used Calcium Magnesium Acetate.

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Pressure treated wood will rot if there's no way for it to dry out on both sides.
Composite will mold up if there's no air flow under it.
Reguler rock salt will distroy any material given enough time.
Should have used Calcium Magnesium Acetate.
I'll look for a picture and send next. I bought this house (as a rental) last year and the steps were already on their way out... For reasons, the house sat empty this winter so I was generous with the rock salt and this spring they practically exploded haha. My gut says rip them out and frame new ones but my back is whispering ideas into my ear....
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Here they are...
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That's not just salt damage.
There's no "fixing" or covering that one.
There's not anything left to attach anything to.
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My whole neighborhood is full of various forms of abortions performed on front stoops.

Some have sunk, some have just deteriorated.

Wood gets awfully slippery when wet. Even more slippery when it is a bit dirty.
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That's not just salt damage.
There's no "fixing" or covering that one.
There's not anything left to attach anything to.
Ya I was kinda reaching with this one. Guess ill warm up the ole sledgehammer! Good times!
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http://www.centurygrp.com/products/Concrete-Steps
Lowes is on place that may stock these.
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http://www.centurygrp.com/products/Concrete-Steps
Lowes is on place that may stock these.
Nice thanks! There is something similar to this at the rear entry.... I think there are some places locally that handle something like this-ill have to check it out.... Although I think it may prove cheaper to just build a treated stair... It will be a rental for the next decade...
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From the looks of those stairs I would guess it won't take a Herculean effort to finish them off. I rented an electric jack hammer for mine and it took longer to get it out of my truck than it did to pulverize the steps. And mine weren't that bad. I just did not want them there anymore.
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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...electedIndex=9

Here's some non slip treads.
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You could carve out all that is failing and use a concrete expoxy restoration product but those are so far gone it will be cheaper to break them up and just pour new ones. Here is one company that sourced most epoxy for me through the years if you want to explore that option.

http://www.abatron.com/buildingandre...intenance.html

Abocrete works great. Just pricey.
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I'm saying this could be salvaged: Remove any of the old step material that can be removed along with the old railing. Use 4 x 4 post's on each side of these steps, one at the back of the top step, one at the back of the run of the second step, one at the back of the run of the first step, and one at the front of the run of the first step figuring the appropriate height for railings at each post. Use 5/4 deck boards from end-to-end for your new steps. Buy a couple of those concrete pavers which look like bricks. Break them along the scored lines into single bricks, real bricks would be too thick. Use these to shore up the 5/4 deck boards at two points along the width of the steps, making sure they are level across the width, to hold up the 5/4 deck boards to prevent sagging. Just my opinon
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I'm saying this could be salvaged: Remove any of the old step material that can be removed along with the old railing. Use 4 x 4 post's on each side of these steps, one at the back of the top step, one at the back of the run of the second step, one at the back of the run of the first step, and one at the front of the run of the first step figuring the appropriate height for railings at each post. Use 5/4 deck boards from end-to-end for your new steps. Buy a couple of those concrete pavers which look like bricks. Break them along the scored lines into single bricks, real bricks would be too thick. Use these to shore up the 5/4 deck boards at two points along the width of the steps, making sure they are level across the width, to hold up the 5/4 deck boards to prevent sagging. Just my opinon
the above's true, of course, but we could also rehab & restore the titanic im-n-s-h-fo,,, the nice thing about trying to save it is you can assure yourself of more repair work later when the rest falls apart

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