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Old 12-26-2016, 11:42 AM   #1
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Brick patio install gone wrong


I need advice from those older and wiser than myself. I have been going in circles with a contractor I hired to install a brick patio in my yard. I thought the requirement was simple... pour concrete, install brick in a herringbone pattern ??? profit. They poured the slab, so far so good. Then they installed the brick using Type S. The brick looks a mess and they claim it is a problem with the brick itself. It was supposed to be Glen Gery 53DD pavers. Note, the brick is not level from brick to brick and they have large gaps... rather than a tight lay. Some places it is tight, other places it is a 3/8" or 1/2" gap. Then the lay jogs all over the place and the color blend seems poor to me.

Do others have experience with this brick? Is it really that difficult to install well? Or is this contractor just blowing smoke? Or am I too picky and this is reasonable? I attached a photo.
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Old 12-26-2016, 12:10 PM   #2
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Ayuh,.... Yer contractor is a hack, I wouldn't pay for such a sloppy job,....
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Specs for that brick state:
Glen-Gery molded paving brick are manufactured to achieve dimensional tolerances. The dimensional tolerances of the product are intended to be within the requirements of ASTM International C 902, Application PS. The tolerances for various unit dimensions are typically: 3" and under, +/-1/8"; over 3" to 4", +/-3/16"; over 5" to 8", +/-1/4". Generally, the product ordered will contain a few units which are over or under the specified dimension.

A good installer would know how to lay the bricks properly. How many people did they have putting the pavers down. Looks it was the first day for the guy in the middle
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Was there price half of your other bids?


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Old 12-26-2016, 12:26 PM   #5
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HACK HACK.

That looks like it is many years old, with poor bedding, weight rolling all over it.

This is lousy installation, nothing more.

And you are going to get varying color in a batch, due to the materials not being consistently mixed at the brick works.

Make them re-do this. And this time NO ALCOHOL on site.


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Old 12-26-2016, 12:35 PM   #6
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Well, at least I am not crazy. Thanks... sigh. I really hate contractors and why I got into DIY to begin with.
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I am going to defend contractors.

Most do a great job.

But there are always some that are bad and give the rest of us a poor name.

Like all used car salesmen are crooks. not true, just some.

You happened to get a bad one, If they are honorable they will get this right.

If not get an attorney.

There is another line of work that gets maligned often, I have met a few attorneys that are decent, but again some are just crooks.

I wish you luck in this, and I would not pay for this crap, that you have laying in your yard.


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Old 12-26-2016, 01:23 PM   #8
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I am going to defend contractors.

Most do a great job.

But there are always some that are bad and give the rest of us a poor name.

Like all used car salesmen are crooks. not true, just some.

You happened to get a bad one, If they are honorable they will get this right.

If not get an attorney.

There is another line of work that gets maligned often, I have met a few attorneys that are decent, but again some are just crooks.

I wish you luck in this, and I would not pay for this crap, that you have laying in your yard.


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Certainly I don't mean to malign an entire profession, but my goodness, I have had really terrible luck in my days. Perhaps I just suck at selection.
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Bubba, I agree with BONDO & de-nagorg, the guys a HACK. In my 40+ yrs of construction, I have never installed a walk or patio in that condition. DO NOT PAY FOR IT !!! Take a lot of pictures. It is sub-standard work.

Go to home depot, purchase a string-line spool, and give it to the "contractor" and explain that it's used to make straight lines in this application.

The Home Depot thing was just to bring a little levity to a serious problem.
Not making light of your situation. You should also contact your local Contractor Licensing Board with a complaint. They follow up on ALL complaints. If this guy is licensed, he'll fix it, or should lose his license PERIOD.
And, do lots of research when picking those who do work on your home. CHECK LICENSES and REFERENCES

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Also Bubba, the next time you need to hire a contractor, speak with the Board. They have files on every LICENSED Contractor in your state with every complaint files against them. If one has a hefty file...........use your own judgement.
All Contractors are not out to beat you out of your money. The vast majority will give you a good result for your dollar, and do exactly what the CONTRACT describes.
It's the "fly by nighters" like this guy who give us a bad rep. Hope it works out for you.

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Total crap job. Don't pay. Period. As to color, you will get variation, part of the "charm"... But someone who knew what he was doing wouldn't have put the same color bricks together in those awful "splotches". Ron
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Maybe it's just the picture fooling me, but are half of the brick laid on bed (normal for a paver) and the other half laid on their side (normal for a wall)??

Not sure why you'd want pavers over concrete and mortar WITHOUT mortared joints keeping the water out. It appears you're in a cold climate, not a great place to let all of that water seep under the brick and freeze.......
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Following what others and said I've seen better work done by a first-time DIY homeowner! That is a complete hack job. The color variation is normal for bricks and is part of why many people like bricks because they don't look so "flat" and boring because of color variations. They are however supposed be laid flat. There I with you will be small variations in the distance between the bricks but the lines should be straight and true. Something this contractor obviously didn't know anything about.
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Unbelievably bad.
You have the ultimate power, the power of the purse.
Do not pay.

Start looking for someone to remove (not this guy).
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They must have gotten a new wet saw and wanted to put it to use......because it LOOKS like they cut every single brick if you study the foreground of the pix.....some lengthwise to get those long pieces, some across to get the other chunks. A simple herringbone pattern can be laid cutting like one in four bricks as opposed to everything....and if started against a decent baseline and checked periodically will look light years better than what is there. Ron
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