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Mstrlucky74 03-24-2013 04:25 PM

Window closing very tight
 
We installed two double hung windows. The one window closes and latched nicely but the other one does not line up as easily and you really have to push down to get the latches to line up and close. Bad thing is the windows have been wrapped caulked and installed. We checked to make sure the top was pushed all the way up. Any advice?Thanks:censored::(

djlandkpl 03-24-2013 04:50 PM

The frame probably got knocked out of square when it was installed. The real fix is to check it and adjust as needed.

HomeSealed 03-24-2013 10:21 PM

Most likely an installation issue. Open the upper and lower sashes about 1/4". Is the reveal consistent all the way across? If not, the window was installed out of square. If it is, then you possibly have a warped or oversized sash.

joecaption 03-24-2013 10:38 PM

Got a framing square? Check the frames.

Windows on Wash 03-25-2013 09:36 AM

Post up a picture when you can.

Easiest test is like HomeSealed said. Use sash meeting with the head jamb as a determinant and you will probably see what you need to see.

joecaption 03-25-2013 09:51 AM

Is anyone checking to see if there square and level before there fullly installed?
Any old house I've ever worked on has sagged over the years and the bottom R/O is almost never level. You have to install one nail in the side in the nailing fin just to hold it in place and not nail it tight, check it for level and plumb, shim if needed, then nail in the rest of the nails.

If there just sitting the window in the hole resting on the bottom R/O and counting on that being level, there's the problum.

HomeSealed 03-25-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1145250)
Is anyone checking to see if there square and level before there fullly installed?
Any old house I've ever worked on has sagged over the years and the bottom R/O is almost never level. You have to install one nail in the side in the nailing fin just to hold it in place and not nail it tight, check it for level and plumb, shim if needed, then nail in the rest of the nails.

If there just sitting the window in the hole resting on the bottom R/O and counting on that being level, there's the problum.

Not necessarily Joe. Obviously it is ideal to have the window installed perfectly plumb and level, but it could be installed at a 30* angle and operate just fine as long as it is SQUARE. As you mentioned, most homes have window openings that are out of square, so on some occasions a perfectly plumb and level window will look crooked with the interface to the casing (and exterior trim). In those cases we "split the difference" in order to minimize an awkward appearance but maintain squareness and not too far off that it would affect drainage or anything like that. Most window installers leave their level in the truck, except when you get into large mulled units etc.

Mstrlucky74 03-25-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1145250)
Is anyone checking to see if there square and level before there fullly installed?
Any old house I've ever worked on has sagged over the years and the bottom R/O is almost never level. You have to install one nail in the side in the nailing fin just to hold it in place and not nail it tight, check it for level and plumb, shim if needed, then nail in the rest of the nails.

If there just sitting the window in the hole resting on the bottom R/O and counting on that being level, there's the problum.

Anyway of correcting this after the window has been installed?

joecaption 03-25-2013 10:32 AM

Know what you mean, lots of fun trying to figure out what size window to order when there way off like that.
With an old sided over house like that sometimes the outside siding is level but the inside trim and R/O are off.

Mstrlucky74 03-25-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1145282)
Know what you mean, lots of fun trying to figure out what size window to order when there way off like that.
With an old sided over house like that sometimes the outside siding is level but the inside trim and R/O are off.

Anyway of correcting this after the window has been installed? No sheetrock has been installed. Thanks.

djlandkpl 03-25-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mstrlucky74 (Post 1145323)
Anyway of correcting this after the window has been installed? No sheetrock has been installed. Thanks.

Have you determined if the frame is out of square? If it is and the caulking has probably cured, you'll probably have to pull the window and reinstall it so you can get a good seal.

Mstrlucky74 03-25-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by djlandkpl (Post 1145342)
Have you determined if the frame is out of square? If it is and the caulking has probably cured, you'll probably have to pull the window and reinstall it so you can get a good seal.

Not yet. Pretty sure that's what it has to be. What exactly are the "check marks" as to whether the window closing and locking is not lined up properly? What I mean is that when you close the window all the way it is off a hair and requires a firm push down to latch it. thanks.

joecaption 03-25-2013 12:27 PM

First tell tail sign it's off is how the screen sits at the bottom. There should not be a gap.
It's one thing to have to apply a slight pressure in the middle to get it to lock quite another to have to stand there and pull down on one side to get both to lock.

djlandkpl 03-25-2013 12:37 PM

Easiest way to check is with a framing square. Check all four corners looking along the edge of the square. If you don't have a framing square you can use a measuring tape. Using the same points, measure from the top left corner diagonally to the bottom right. Then from the top right to the bottom left. The measurement should be the same if the window frame is square. As an additional check you and measure from the top of the frame to the bottom of the frame along several points.

HomeSealed 03-25-2013 12:50 PM

If it is completely wrapped caulked and installed, the only way to fix it properly is to pull it out and reset it. Sometimes you can twist the frame around enough with some strategically placed shims to get it to lock easier, but that is not rectifying the fact that is installed out of square. You're going to get poor sealing/air leakage and other potential issues down the road if it is not set square.


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