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nolan7120 05-20-2013 12:51 PM

What is this hinge, and how do I remove it?
 
As the thread title says, what type of hinge is this and how do I remove it?
http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/z...psef30dc9e.jpg

Any caveats to be aware of while replacing the entry door to my Condo? It's a 90 minute fire rated 36" x 80" door, no frame.

Thanks!

Maintenance 6 05-20-2013 02:42 PM

Wow, haven't seen any of those in a while. It's spring loaded to self close the door. Open and close the door. One end of the chain is spring loaded and will retract into a tube in the back of the hinge. Figure out which leaf has the spring, then open the door and shove a nail through the chain in front of that leaf. Then you can take the screws out and remove the hinge. I wouldn't put that finger pinching thing back on the new door, but that's your call. I'd use a Bommer spring hinge in it's place. The tension on the Bommer hinge can be adjusted. Since it's a 90 minute door, there is a requirement for the door to self close and latch, so you either need a spring hinge or a regular hydraulic door closer.

nolan7120 05-20-2013 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Maintenance 6 (Post 1183314)
Wow, haven't seen any of those in a while. It's spring loaded to self close the door. Open and close the door. One end of the chain is spring loaded and will retract into a tube in the back of the hinge. Figure out which leaf has the spring, then open the door and shove a nail through the chain in front of that leaf. Then you can take the screws out and remove the hinge. I wouldn't put that finger pinching thing back on the new door, but that's your call. I'd use a Bommer spring hinge in it's place. The tension on the Bommer hinge can be adjusted. Since it's a 90 minute door, there is a requirement for the door to self close and latch, so you either need a spring hinge or a regular hydraulic door closer.

Thank you sir, very informative post! I definitely won't put the same hinge back on the new door. The Bommer spring hinge you mentioned is what I will ise instead.

nolan7120 05-20-2013 03:46 PM

Oh yeah, one more question. When I order just the door (no frame) from Menards or Home Depot, do you think they will come with pre-drilled holes for where the hinge screw goes? If not, I'm going to have a PITA of a time figuring out where to drill the holes correctly...

rossfingal 05-20-2013 07:39 PM

Thanks "M6"!
The one's I've run into "usually" have the spring side on the door-jamb -
Not always though! :(

Maintenance 6 05-21-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nolan7120 (Post 1183368)
Oh yeah, one more question. When I order just the door (no frame) from Menards or Home Depot, do you think they will come with pre-drilled holes for where the hinge screw goes? If not, I'm going to have a PITA of a time figuring out where to drill the holes correctly...

That's hard to say. It would depend on the type and brand of door. Even if the holes aren't pre-drilled, the hinge mortises should be pre-cut, so it won't be a major issue to mark them using a hinge leaf. You should stay with a 90 minute door to meet life safety codes. It will have a UL "D" label. Don't paint over the label.

hand drive 05-21-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nolan7120 (Post 1183368)
Oh yeah, one more question. When I order just the door (no frame) from Menards or Home Depot, do you think they will come with pre-drilled holes for where the hinge screw goes? If not, I'm going to have a PITA of a time figuring out where to drill the holes correctly...


your new door will need to be retro fit. if it comes morticed the chances of the new mortices lining with your old hinge mortice is near impossible. use the old door as a template to put hinges onto new door so that hinges fit into old door frame.

nolan7120 05-21-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Maintenance 6 (Post 1183894)
That's hard to say. It would depend on the type and brand of door. Even if the holes aren't pre-drilled, the hinge mortises should be pre-cut, so it won't be a major issue to mark them using a hinge leaf. You should stay with a 90 minute door to meet life safety codes. It will have a UL "D" label. Don't paint over the label.

A 90 minute door is a must, as my condo association requires it. The old door was an eight-panel, while the new one is going to be six-panel. Thankfully my assoc is cool with that. I could only find one place that had an eight-panel door, and that was Feldco. They want $1500 for a new door and frame. They wouldn't install the door without the frame, nor would they just sell me the door (by itself) at a markup.

Anyone know of an online vendor who specializes in door sales (w/ reasonable shipping!) that sells eight-panel doors?

nolan7120 05-21-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hand drive (Post 1183971)
your new door will need to be retro fit. if it comes morticed the chances of the new mortices lining with your old hinge mortice is near impossible. use the old door as a template to put hinges onto new door so that hinges fit into old door frame.

Does "morticed" mean that the recessed spot is already cut out for the hinge placement?

When you say use the old door as a template are you referring to something like this?: I take the old door off. I will leave the hinges on the old door. Once the old door is off, I will line up the edges of the doors while on a flat surface to see where the hinges would be installed on the new door.

Maintenance 6 05-21-2013 03:00 PM

Or measure the hinge locations on the old door and order the new one with the hinge mortises pre-cut.

paul100 05-27-2013 10:34 PM

is your old door a metal door? Looking from the pics it looks like it is. The hinge isn't mortised into it. I think it would be a lot better to put in a complete door with jamb.

Windows on Wash 05-28-2013 07:21 AM

+1

Given the age of the door, getting the hinges lined up is going to be difficult.

Might be less trouble in the end to just order the complete door.


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