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Old 12-22-2013, 10:43 AM   #1
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First time poster. We had a contractor install vinly sliding windows to replace our old aluminum windows, on 11/18/13. He used block frame sliding windows with no (nailing fin) because he didn't have to cut out any siding or interior trim. He cut out the window left the aluminum nailing fins in the siding. We have cedar siding that has ridges going vertical and 45 degree angle and the contractor used flashing tape on all 4 sides of the vinly window and attached it to the surface of the cedar siding and not underneath the cedar siding. He used z flashing on the top of the trim board and 1X4 cedar trim all around the window and caulked all around the trim. We took out the inside trim of the window to insulate and saw the screws holding the window, screwed into the sheathing and not the jamb. Felt cold air leaking from the inside trim and the window. I feel this is a wrong install. What can I do?
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Old 12-22-2013, 10:58 AM   #2
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That's a piss poor job. Especially with the angled cedar siding. Those slots he caulked will eventually leak. The siding should have cut after carefully drawing an even margin all the way around. Then he could have used windows with nailer fins attached and fasten directly to the sheathing. Caulking followed by sealing tape(protecto wrap) then some 1x cedar trim could have been installed and caulked. And also a drip edge should be bent on a brake and installed over the nailer fin on top and tucked under the edge of the sheathing if possible before taping. Gap around the inside should either be stuffed with insulation or if there is enough of a gap, use the low expansion window sealer and just fill the last 1/4 of the gap up against the sheathing. Let it dry and then fill the rest with insulation.
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Thank you Mike, Will the contractor fix his mistakes if I tell him to?
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Also should have been galvanized roofing nails not screws.
Will he fix it? I highly doubt it. More likely he'll stop taking your calls if he's been paid.
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Thank you Mike, Will the contractor fix his mistakes if I tell him to?
What was his intent to cover the tape around the window????????? I doubt he can fix it. If he did not know how to properly install a window in the first place I doubt he will know how to after he is called back. This guy is obviously not a skilled installer.
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I'm going to be honest with you. Its a freekin joke.
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thats a new construction window. it should have been installed hard to the sheathing.. or the nailing flange cut off and the window set into the space between the siding .. and set into a heavy bead of caulking.. then face caulked around the window onto the siding..

the draft is do to gaps created by the window being nailed over the siding and not having spray foam insulation
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+1 to the previous comments. There is a bunch wrong here and whomever did it in the first place is not the person to fix it.
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And you need more soffit vents.... to kick you while you're down, lol.

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This general contractor used block frame windows without nailing fins in our stick frame house and the windows are sliders. We were going to insulate around the inside of the trim and saw the jamb screws holding the window are screwed into the sheathing and not into the jamb or r/o. The contractor stated we don't have to cut any inside trim or exterior cedar sliding to the house using block frame windows without nailing fins. Is this install to code? Also, is this the appropriate windows that were installed to our home?

Should the flexible straight flash be underneath the siding, instead of being on top of the siding when he put the 1X4 trim on and caulked around the 1x4 trim.

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No, he should have cut back the siding (using flange windows) FOR the added trim for a better look. Good links at Post #11, 14, 18 here; Water Around Window

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Thank you Gary, why he used non flanged windows, probably to make a quick buck. Do you think I can recover my money from him?

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No, for him to do that low degree of quality workmanship, he either doesn't know (ignorant) or doesn't care.... Whoever you hire, ask them to read our posts and gently quiz him afterward, before hiring, get it ALL in writing, right down to installing the window per manufacturer and/or ASTM standards. Visit 3 of his past jobs and look at work. I could mention lien releases but may be required in only our State.

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Gary,

Can, I sue him for breach of contract? For not installing the windows properly? Better yet, using block frame windows (inappropriate) window install for a stick frame house. He just can't take our money and run or can he?

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It is not looked like a new window is be installed by the contractor and it was an its fault you should called him to fix it properly otherwise you can take you money back from the contractor .

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