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Centex2011 03-16-2013 10:54 AM

Taking out a window
 
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I am going to be replacing some old single pane aluminum insert windows with new replacement sash kit. Why am I just doing the sashes? The original wood window frames are still in good condition other than needing a good scrape and paint job. The alum. inserts are crappy and loose and I have never liked the looks of them. Installing the new sashes and jambliners shouldn't be a problem. I cannot figure out how the old windows are installed. I can't find any markings anywhere indicating what brand and I don't see any screws in the sides or top.


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I am thinking it is attached just by silicone maybe and I can pull it out once I have the stops out? And from everything that I can tell it IS an insert and is not nailed to the outside of the house by a flange. Hopefully someone will have an idea. If not, I will just have to push, pull, and yank until it comes out :) Thanks in advance!

HomeSealed 03-16-2013 06:05 PM

Very difficult to tell by the pics, but 9 out of 10 aluminum windows that i see have a nailing flange. Generally not the easiest extractions, so be prepared. The one thing that I can say nearly for certain is that they are NOT simply held in by silicone. If you are lucky and there is no flange, there would still be fasteners in the jambs.

joecaption 03-16-2013 08:56 PM

Sometimes it's just staples holding it in.
Sort of looks like one in one of the pictures.

wrangler 03-16-2013 11:03 PM

If you can not find any fasteners in the aluminum jamb, it is possible that they just replaced the original wood windows with the aluminum inserts and the only thing holding them in is the caulk and the wood stops(trim) that you show in your pictures on the inside. In one pic it even looks like it has been removed before?

Windows on Wash 03-17-2013 11:35 AM

Looks like they could be inserts by the aftermarket looking stops.

Any pictures of the exterior?

Centex2011 03-18-2013 10:33 AM

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Sorry it has taken s couple days to respond. We had my mother-in-law in town and wasn't able to do much.

Wrangler, that is what it seems like to me. I went outside to see if there was anything visible that I missed the first few times I inspected the windows and there is nothing. The only thing I see holding the window in place is the ext. stop trim (red line in photo) and a filler piece (green line in photo) that they used to fill in the space where the original wood window track was (I'm basing that on how the few original windows left look).


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And the interior trim stop had been removed previously... by me. I had to remove them to get an accurate measurement for my replacements.

Centex2011 03-25-2013 09:59 AM

Well, we replaced the window this weekend and the old window came out fairly easy. There were no screws, clips, or anything else holding it in but caulk and the trim. We took the interior stops off, cut the caulk and paint from around the outside of the window and pushed from the outside and out it came. The only thing we had to do was shimmy it a little to get past some old caulk between the top of the insert and the frame. I was expecting it to be a pain to get out and take us a while, but it went pretty quick. Three more to go for that room plus 21 others. Woohoo :)

HomeSealed 03-25-2013 11:52 AM

Well, it worked out well for you as far as getting them out... Still blows my mind how poorly some folks installed them in the first place. Truly a "caulk and walk".

Windows on Wash 03-26-2013 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HomeSealed (Post 1145394)
Well, it worked out well for you as far as getting them out... Still blows my mind how poorly some folks installed them in the first place. Truly a "caulk and walk".

If a little caulk is good...isn't more better...? :laughing:

Glad it worked out for you Centex.

Post up some before and after pictures!! :thumbup:

hand drive 03-26-2013 10:42 AM

it helps to back caulk the stops when re installing them. that means, run a bead of caulk to the back edge of the stop before placing against new window insert. you should see it smoosh out a little toward the interior of the stop and insert, just pull that smooshed amount with your finger and let it cure for a few days and then come back and caulk the stop to the the insert like normal before painting. that is a way to get a better seal around the edges of the windows. use a quality caulk, to many times I've re worked pieces and parts on houses where cheap caulk was used and it was either as hard as concrete with zero flex or it was crumbling off of the walls, so a good quality caulk is well worth the extra money.

Centex2011 03-26-2013 12:14 PM

Thanks hand drive. I will keep that in mind when I am buttoning everything up.

I don't really have before and after, but I will take a side-by-side shot this evening- new next to old yet to be removed. I installed just one before I spent a lot of money on something that wouldn't work... always hesitant when spending a big chunk of change :)

Centex2011 03-26-2013 08:08 PM

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Here is a photo of the new window. I have painted the windows, I just need to paint the trim (interior and exterior) so please ignore the poor condition of the paint. It will be remedied shortly.


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This is a pic of another set of windows that looks just like a before shot of the window I replaced. I personally believe the new windows, once in, will change the look of the house, despite the fact that the whole house needs a new paint job, and ultimately new siding :)


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Windows on Wash 03-27-2013 07:52 AM

Looking good.

Keep up the good work!!!

HomeSealed 03-27-2013 05:47 PM

+1. Get that trim fixed up and you'll be in business :)


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