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Braddiy 10-22-2012 11:01 AM

New Window &storm door installation
 
Is there anything I should watch for when my windows and storm doors are installed tomorrow.
I have never used this company before, just read reviews. Canadian choice windows.

joecaption 10-22-2012 11:18 AM

New constrution, or replacement windows?

Braddiy 10-22-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption
New constrution, or replacement windows?

Replacement windows vinyl energy star windows double paned s double slider and casement and picture window.

joecaption 10-22-2012 04:26 PM

If your there watching them, make sure they set a level on the bottom and the side to make sure it's all square.
Make sure there insulating any gaps before reinstalling any trim.
Replacements need a bead of caulking around the stop moulding that the windows are going to be sitting againt that keeps them from falling out of the opening.

Braddiy 10-22-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption
If your there watching them, make sure they set a level on the bottom and the side to make sure it's all square.
Make sure there insulating any gaps before reinstalling any trim.
Replacements need a bead of caulking around the stop moulding that the windows are going to be sitting againt that keeps them from falling out of the opening.

Thanks ill be watching for all of that. Will they be removing the wood frame around the windows?

joecaption 10-22-2012 09:28 PM

Since no one here can see your house from here no way to tell.

Braddiy 10-22-2012 09:49 PM

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I uploaded a picture of one of the old windows, they are original wood windows, I have removed trim already. Don't want contractors ripping up my walls lol.

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HomeSealed 10-23-2012 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1035844)
If your there watching them, make sure they set a level on the bottom and the side to make sure it's all square.
Make sure there insulating any gaps before reinstalling any trim.
Replacements need a bead of caulking around the stop moulding that the windows are going to be sitting againt that keeps them from falling out of the opening.

Not trying to be argumentative, but this advice is somewhat questionable in terms of determining a "quality installation".
1) Most existing openings are out of square, so setting a level on the sill may not even get you the best looking installation. Getting the new window SQUARE is of paramount importance, and often the best install may be very slightly off level so as not to look "out of whack" with the existing opening, trim, etc. The best installers that I've ever met rarely pull out a level on window installs.
2) Caulking the stop moulding to "keep the window from falling out" is a procedure often referred to as a "caulk and walk" installation, and is the exact opposite of a quality install. In fact, it is precisely the procedure that gives vinyl replacement windows a bad name. The window should be installed square, properly shimmed as necessary and secured with screws (preferrably stainless), insulated with a low expansion, closed-cell foam (preferred over fiberglass), and then capped and caulked on the exterior. Interior caulking is optional for aesthetics.

Things to look for:
-Squareness: Open the upper and lower sash (on a dh) about 1/4" each, and check the reveal (gap). It should be reasonably consistent going all the way across. Also check the weatherstripping on the sides of the sashes to make sure that it is coming into solid contact with the frame (not too tight that it impedes operation though).
-Proper sizing : You should not see the edge of your window exposed past the interior stops.
- Exterior trim and caulk: The aluminum trim (if applicable) should be installed with clean, tight, seams, and have a nice clean bead of caulk throughout. If your existing windows had a drip cap/head flashing, it should lap OVER your new trim to preserve the water management system. Many guys will just wrap right over it so that it looks a little bit nice, thereby reducing the integrity of protection to that of the caulk's lifespan.

HomeSealed 10-23-2012 07:28 AM

If they are indeed true "replacement" windows, the wood frame will stay and the drywall will be left untouched.

joecaption 10-23-2012 09:19 AM

I think your misreading my reply.
The outside stop moulding keeps the window in place not the caulking.
If the sill is level and the jamb is plumb would the window not be square?

I may be wrong but I think the O/P said they were installing replacement windows, anyone ever heard of a replacement casement winodow?
I can see replacing a casement window, but not a replacement window.

HomeSealed 10-23-2012 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1036268)
I think your misreading my reply.
The outside stop moulding keeps the window in place not the caulking.
If the sill is level and the jamb is plumb would the window not be square?

That is true in theory (opening being level and plumb), however rarely does it translate to reality. In terms of keeping the window in place, that is the job of the shims and fasteners. The blind stop (outside stop) may or may not even be left in place. On an exterior installation, it is removed and sometimes replaced, other times installers tuck their aluminum trim right into the utility groove of the new window which is acceptable as well.

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1036268)
I may be wrong but I think the O/P said they were installing replacement windows, anyone ever heard of a replacement casement winodow?
I can see replacing a casement window, but not a replacement window.

I'm not sure what exactly you are saying here, but yes, there are "replacement casement windows". The astragal stops are removed from the buck frame, and then a casement window which is 3 1/4" jamb depth and sans nailing fin (ie: "replacement casement") is installed. Interior stops are then added. Generally, a quarter-round (shoe) or cove moulding is used.

As I said Joe, I apologize if that came across as argumentative. I do not mean to assume the intentions behind your post, but just clarify a few things for the benefit of the OP and other DIY'ers.:)

Braddiy 10-23-2012 10:51 AM

Thanks homestead this is what I have read online also, the windows are indeed replacement windows. I may of used the wrong terminology about casement window what I ment was the windows on either side of the picture window are the ones with the little handle that you turn open.
Thanks joe for the responses.

Braddiy 10-23-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by HomeSealed
That is true in theory (opening being level and plumb), however rarely does it translate to reality. In terms of keeping the window in place, that is the job of the shims and fasteners. The blind stop (outside stop) may or may not even be left in place. On an exterior installation, it is removed and sometimes replaced, other times installers tuck their aluminum trim right into the utility groove of the new window which is acceptable as well.

I'm not sure what exactly you are saying here, but yes, there are "replacement casement windows". The astragal stops are removed from the buck frame, and then a casement window which is 3 1/4" jamb depth and sans nailing fin (ie: "replacement casement") is installed. Interior stops are then added. Generally, a quarter-round (shoe) or cove moulding is used.

As I said Joe, I apologize if that came across as argumentative. I do not mean to assume the intentions behind your post, but just clarify a few things for the benefit of the OP and other DIY'ers.:)

The installers will be finishing the outside of the windows with aluminum flashing and caulking. It is brick to brick install on flashing.

Braddiy 10-23-2012 10:57 AM

One more thing they said there installing at vinyl trim on the inside around the window rather then wood..... Any thoughts on this?

Braddiy 10-23-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Braddiy
One more thing they said there installing at vinyl trim on the inside around the window rather then wood..... Any thoughts on this?

It's raining today so I have to wait another week for install.


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