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homehobby 08-19-2012 10:51 PM

new construction windows in an old house
 
Hello. I am going to be putting some new construction windows in an old house. I will be removing the aluminum window frames and wood frame down to the rough opening. The nailing flange in the old windows is nailed directly to the studs with the siding overlapping the flange. There is no plywood sheathing. My questions is: what is the best way to install the new windows? Should I nail the new flange to the siding and flash over the top? Or should i cut back some of the siding and nail the flange to the studs as was done previously? Should i try to remove the siding and replace over the flange? Thanks.

joecaption 08-19-2012 11:50 PM

Posting a picture is always nice.
Is this a wood sided home?
Why are you installing new constrution Instead of replacement windows?

hand drive 08-20-2012 10:10 AM

for a new construction window you will have to treat it as new construction and remove any siding in the way of installing the window and then re-side tight to the window sealing everything up.

Fix'n it 08-20-2012 10:01 PM

in my old house. the rough opening for the windows is not even close to the size of the window. you "may" have to do some framing.

joecaption 08-20-2012 10:44 PM

Fixnit did you order the windows to size or just buy off the shelve?
Wondering why yours were so far off. All the windows I buy are made to the size I ask for.

homehobby 08-20-2012 10:54 PM

it is a wood sided house. no sheathing underneath. so the consensus is to remove the siding enough to nail the flange to the framing and put siding back up to window? seems like alot of work to remove that much siding, and costly. what is wrong with nailing flange directly to siding and using flashing tape and well-caulked trim?

joecaption 08-20-2012 11:13 PM

How would you fill in 1/2 gaps every 5" or so?
The top and bottom pieces would be sitting at an angle so you would have to shim them to sit flat.
Now a great way to do it.

hand drive 08-20-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by homehobby (Post 992458)
Hello. I am going to be putting some new construction windows in an old house. I will be removing the aluminum window frames and wood frame down to the rough opening. The nailing flange in the old windows is nailed directly to the studs with the siding overlapping the flange. There is no plywood sheathing. My questions is: what is the best way to install the new windows? Should I nail the new flange to the siding and flash over the top? Or should i cut back some of the siding and nail the flange to the studs as was done previously? Should i try to remove the siding and replace over the flange? Thanks.

When you plan to pull the old windows how will you pull the flange from behind the siding? is there brickmolding or any other type of exterior window trim around the windows ?

joecaption 08-20-2012 11:39 PM

Without some pictures everyones going to just be guessing all day long.

homehobby 08-21-2012 03:49 PM

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll post pics tonight.

Hammer450R 08-21-2012 04:31 PM

You can take a metal sawzall blade and cut through 1 side, hammer claw those 2 peices out then claw the top down the bottom up and pry the other side out once bottom and top are gone.
But that doesnt help you install the new ones lol

homehobby 08-21-2012 09:35 PM

pics included
 
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Ok, some pics are attached: i have removed one side of the trim for better viewing of the situation. bottom line is siding is directly attached to framing. it is an old house so i dont think there is house wrap or flashing, just some caulking.

Regarding removal, one window has the flange outside the siding so it is easy to remove. the other window will take some work. thanks to hammer450 for the suggestion...

Regarding installation, is there anyway to do this without removing siding?

Here is a thread with some tips to waterproof directly to the siding: link

thanks for all your tips, i am obviously new at this but love the challenge!

homehobby 08-21-2012 09:36 PM

sorry, link didn't work and pics are rotated the wrong way, but hopefully you get the picture (haha)

try: www.houserepairtalk dot com/f10/how-flash-mount-new-window-install-only-t1-11-siding-no-sheathing-6130/

copy address to browser (and replace "dot" with ".") sorry, I can't seem to link directly.

Duckweather 08-21-2012 10:04 PM

That appears to be texture 1-11, siding & sheathing at once. My guess is that this was an unheated camp. Maybe use the window as a guide for the small side of the circular saw table, cut all around & remove old window. install new window, put a thinner strip into the cutout and case over it. I would use calk at every joint and all back edges of casing. Best caulking is elastomeric. OSI, True value has one, Agent Orange has one made by Dap but not sure of the name. All have a flammable warning. If not it isn't elastomeric. Those holes from the grooves MUST be calked to make watertight and keep ants out. sometimes you can make a saw cut in the siding at the top and get a piece of drip cap in, but it isn't easy.

Fix'n it 08-21-2012 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 993131)
Fixnit did you order the windows to size or just buy off the shelve?
Wondering why yours were so far off. All the windows I buy are made to the size I ask for.

i special ordered "minimum egress" sized sliders, cocoa, 52"w x 45"w.
they seems kinda large when i was measuring for them. but now that one is in, they are a great size.

anyway. the old windows were narrow and tall. i couldn't put ANY furniture in front of them, they were so low to the floor. i wanted what i wanted, so i framed the RO for the new windows.

i just today moved my office into this room. as saturday i have a crew coming over to demo the office room :thumbup:

pic 1 is the office . a mirror of this room.
pic 2 is this room, all stripped except the original window. you can see how the RO is a lot larger than the window.
pic 3 new window installed and drywalled, but not finished.


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