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spiders2013 05-22-2013 09:59 AM

Moulding/Trim Question
 
Hey all! Quick question--is door/floor/window/ceiling moulding supposed to be completely and firmly sealed shut to the wall, or does it usually have spaces in between?

I can't tell whether or not my dad did a crappy job renovating my room LOL. he insisted on removing all the existing trim, and painting/attaching his own. The thing is, my room is located next to the underside of the house (which is on a hill). Like this:

--(second floor of house)-|-------------------/
______________________|--------/
-----------------|------ /
-----------------|---/
__(my room)____|/ (hill)

So the only thing between the spider-heaven under the second floor of our house, and my room, is a wall. Unfortunately, I have two extra doors located near that area (one to store things in that hill area, one side door on the adjacent wall).

Thing is, none of the moulding in my room is sealed firmly to the wall, so giant (2.5-3", red, fast, unafraid) spiders crawl out all the time. I did a thorough cleaning last night, and there were FIVE big spiders, three of which I had literally witnessed coming out of the crappy moulding. I know that's where they all come from..

I had to literally duct tape ALL AROUND the moulding. I had previously just duct-taped the door cracks, but that clearly wasn't enough, because they escape through all sides of the moulding instead. Not just between the door and the trim, but on the other sides, the top, the bottom, etc. I mean there is more duct tape now than trim lol.

My parents thought I was being melodramatic and paranoid, until they witnessed the type of spiders that come in my room every night. My room looks crazy with all the duct tape, but unfortunately it's a necessity :/

BigJim 05-22-2013 10:20 AM

Caulk all the trim and the base, if necessary install shoe moulding, that should seal them out of your room. Your dad or who ever painted the room should have caulked before painting.

joecaption 05-22-2013 12:02 PM

One of the last tapes I would have used would be duct tape.
Now it's going to peel off the paint and leave a glue residue.

Can you post some pictures?
That diagram is useless.
Not sure what a hill has to do with trim.

user1007 05-22-2013 06:20 PM

The spiders would not be hanging around if they were not being well fed or picked you space for nesting. What else is crawling or flying around down there. A shop vac with a bag you can toss but go far in alleviating your problem.

You right reasonably well for a teenager by the way. Wouldn't be trolling us would ya?

spiders2013 05-23-2013 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdsester (Post 1185143)
The spiders would not be hanging around if they were not being well fed or picked you space for nesting. What else is crawling or flying around down there. A shop vac with a bag you can toss but go far in alleviating your problem.

You right reasonably well for a teenager by the way. Wouldn't be trolling us would ya?

Thanks lol :). Not a teen, just living at home for college (rent on or near my campus is craaaaazy expensive; too many students, too little space).

That's the thing, my room is virtually pest-free aside from the spiders. On rare occasions, I get crickets and pill bugs (what the hell, right?). But no ants, beetles, etc. They get in because of the location of my room. On countless occasions, I've seen 3" spiders crawl out of virtually nowhere. It's pretty terrifying seeing a huge spider crawl out of an infinitesimally small crevice and scamper away in literally a second. Whether or not they find sustenance in my room, I don't know; my mom said the same thing--'your room must be filthy! there must be soo many bugs, that's why they're there!'. she helped me clean/tape up last night, not a single living creature other than spiders. The big ones don't stay for long before I catch them. I try to catch/release on most occasions, but sometimes it's just so overwhelming I vacuum them up :(. Just to reiterate, my room isn't dirty. I might have some books/supplies scattered on the floor, some bags of recently-purchased products yet to be put away, but nothing crazy.


Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1184938)
One of the last tapes I would have used would be duct tape. Now it's going to peel off the paint and leave a glue residue.

Can you post some pictures?
That diagram is useless.
Not sure what a hill has to do with trim.

here's a quick paint mockup of the diagram I tried to ASCII:
http://imageshack.us/a/img802/4733/miscb.png
The hill has to do with how and why I'm getting giant spiders in the first place. At least, it's my best theory. House is two stories, I'm on the bottom floor. The top floor extends beyond the bottom floor, and there's a space between the bottom of the top floor, and the side of the bottom floor. The blue line is one of the doors with poorly sealed moulding, making it a gateway to all things creepy that live under the house. I have two doors I don't use; that small storage door, and a side door that leads directly outside the house on ground level.

Here's a pic of moulding on the ceiling, which I didn't feel the need to tape off (the trimming on the windows/doors is practically just as loose):
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4055/misc2g.png

And a picture of the tiny door thoroughly duct-taped:
http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5959/misc3.png
(trust me, the rest of the house isn't nearly as ghetto. this room was never intended to be a bedroom. it was storage/extra office before I moved back after spending the first year on-campus)

Other than damaging the paint, there's nothing wrong with using duct tape, right? Aesthetic damage is fine, the room will be converted back into an office/storage once I move out, my dad will strip literally everything including the carpet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigJim (Post 1184860)
Caulk all the trim and the base, if necessary install shoe moulding, that should seal them out of your room. Your dad or who ever painted the room should have caulked before painting.

Thanks for the suggestions. Basically, moulding/trimming isn't normally loose like that, right? It should be firmly sealed to the wall at all spots? Is that just a beginner DIYer's blunder?

Here's one of the THREE spiders I found crawling on the floor in one night--all of which must have literally just come in within minutes of me spotting them. The day before, I found two. Like I said, they don't stay long before I suck them up, because there aren't many places to hide. And certainly no insects to feed on. Sure, 'giant' is a relative term--but I live in the suburbs of CA and nowhere else in the house has spiders bigger than an inch. They are too big for a small bedroom.
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4733/miscb.png
Doesn't look too scary or big in the picture, but its total span was about 2.5"-3". The rest were just as big, and one of them was orange-y/red. The troublesome part is that they are FAST and bold. Meaning, they'll run towards you when you try and catch them (maybe out of fear, but the end result is the same).

Just a couple theories on why I think there are giant spiders in my room, and nowhere else in the house:
-my room only has one small-ish window, and even when it's open it doesn't provide much of a draft. Opening the main door creates enough of a suction that I guarantee air comes through the spaces in the mouldings; the draft may attract them.
-A year ago, the water heater--virtually right next door in the garage--exploded and flooded the built-in carpet. god knows I'm probably breathing in mold and getting asthma, but there's no point in redoing the room since I'm moving out in a year or two. As a result, some of the carpet may have lifted up. Maybe spiders are living underneath the carpet? Maybe it compromised the thin (i.e. barely more than paint and sparse wooden beams) wall between the spiderworld outside, and my room? And they're coming through the floor moulding?
-Doesn't account for all the spiders, but maybe there's a nest inside the drawer cabinet under my desk?

joecaption 05-23-2013 07:22 AM

Caulking always gets caulked to take care of the small gaps. Only need enough to fill the gap, not all over the trim or the wall or ceiling.

spiders2013 05-25-2013 04:09 AM

Womp womp. Just went crazy and duct-taped all the floor/unused door trimmings, and I'm still seeing those giants. My AC vent's taped up too (mostly because it's summer and having the AC on turns my room into a fridge). I have no idea where they're coming from, but I'm at my wit's end. Wish my dad didn't do that godawful shoddy loose DIY woodwork, if he left the original *sealed* trimming in tact I doubt I'd have this problem.

I'd do the caulking if I had more time and patience, but I had hoped duct tape would work just as well to seal. That and, I'd have to literally seal the unused doors shut.


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