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Old 05-07-2012, 10:42 PM   #16
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Strong Windows, talk to Dave. He offers a few of the best products available today.

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Old 05-08-2012, 07:31 AM   #17
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ok, now. what is it about sliders that makes them seal not as good as casements ? i know that the seal compression is very good on casements.
but with todays technology, i would think that there is a seal for sliders that would seal just as well.

i am still trying to find a dealer of GOOD windows somewhere around me. so i can see/touch them
(but in one of the largest markets in the world, chicago area. i am having a hard time finding them. sure, i can drive an hour+ away, but that is not practical ). but by looking at the ones at HD and menards. it looks like the seal around the glass, and the little fizzy seals, are the weak points.
+1 to Strong Windows.

Sliders, by design, have a couple of inherent weaknesses.

The sliding section at the bottom vs a more significant compression gasket of some type (i.e. like a casement or double hung) and the large meeting rail that is full width and subject to defection more readily because of the span vs the smaller meeting rail span of a similar size double hung.
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Strong Windows, talk to Dave. He offers a few of the best products available today.
yes, i need too, and will, talk to Dave. but i first need to make up my mind on what i want. any idea on what town he is in ? i HOPE not chicago, as i HATE going into that place.
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I am pretty sure Dave is not downtown at all.

He is about 30-40 minutes out of the city either North or South.
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His office address is:

6050 Industrial Drive
Monee, IL 60449

I am pretty sure that Dave lives North of the city though so you are probably covered on both sides.
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his office is not terribly far from me. i will check out his offerings. i sure hope i can afford them.
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i just talked to Dave. he is going to get back to me. he doesn't have a show room, so i STILL can't see these windows
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I too am facing the same decision. The condo complex I want to buy into has the owners responsible for exteriors and windows, and the windows need replacing. We're limited to sliders or casement.

One advantage not mentioned about casement is ventilation. When opened, you have 100% of the window opened. Not 50% as with double-hung or sliders. If you have a place with only a few windows, that can be a deciding factor.

One disadvantage is that you can't put a window box with flowers directly under them.
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Old 05-22-2012, 10:29 PM   #24
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Tilt and Turn would give you the casement look but still allow for and exterior flower box as the window opens to inside.
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The absolute worst window design in terms of air leakage are sliders and single hung windows.

The best air tight windows by design are casements.

A well-built casement will last a lifetime.

If you are looking to build an energy efficient AIR TIGHT home, you will NOT achieve that with a slider. As an air door test will reveal sliders as the weak link.

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Tilt and Turn would give you the casement look but still allow for and exterior flower box as the window opens to inside.
That is a good recommendation. In Europe, most of the operable windows are tilt and turn. Although not many American manufacturers offer tilt and turn. One will have to look at European window manufacturers that are based here in the USA (Intus, Bieber are two such manufacturers).

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The absolute worst window design in terms of air leakage are sliders and single hung windows.

The best air tight windows by design are casements.

A well-built casement will last a lifetime.

If you are looking to build an energy efficient AIR TIGHT home, you will NOT achieve that with a slider. As an air door test will reveal sliders as the weak link.



That is a good recommendation. In Europe, most of the operable windows are tilt and turn. Although not many American manufacturers offer tilt and turn. One will have to look at European window manufacturers that are based here in the USA (Intus, Bieber are two such manufacturers).
I agree with most of that, however I'd make two points:
1) The windows are rarely the weak point in the home regarding air leakage. I've been a part of enough energy audits/blower door tests to see that even "adequate" windows are generally going to be enough to tighten a home past the point where mechanical ventilation is necessary.
2) Yes sliders are the "leakiest" by configuration, however a quality product will still provide a very tight window. There are sliders that have air infiltration ratings of as good as .05, which is close if not equaling many casements, and certainly better than many double hungs.
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Dave has yet to get back to me. perhaps my email got lost somewhere. or he is really busy. or...
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he got back to me. i may be able to swing the sliders. casements, no way(never say "no way". cause ya never know).

one major issue i have to weigh, is that there is a good chance i may not be able to stay in this house for more than 2 years (this economy is taking a bite out of my income. and very well may bite it off). so idk if i should invest in something that i may not fully benefit from. after all, just how good of a selling point, to ignorant buyers, is OKNA. vs a well known name, pella(for example).

anyway. i have to crunch some numbers, and chew on it for a lil while.

oh. they are okna 500 sliders
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he got back to me. i may be able to swing the sliders. casements, no way(never say "no way". cause ya never know).

one major issue i have to weigh, is that there is a good chance i may not be able to stay in this house for more than 2 years (this economy is taking a bite out of my income. and very well may bite it off). so idk if i should invest in something that i may not fully benefit from. after all, just how good of a selling point, to ignorant buyers, is OKNA. vs a well known name, pella(for example).

anyway. i have to crunch some numbers, and chew on it for a lil while.

oh. they are okna 500 sliders
I'd say that it is a major selling point because in 2 yrs the Pella vinyl windows are far more likely to have issues like seal failures, bowed sashes, air leakage, etc. (Since your are talking about saving $, I assume that you are considering their lower end vinyl line). Most people can tell the difference between a well built product and "el cheapo".
If a good product is not within your budget, you'd be better off not replacing them at all. The Okna 500 is an excellent product if you can swing it.
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Go with the Oknas.

Even in the resale value alone, they will pay for themselves.

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