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Old 03-29-2015, 12:02 PM   #1
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I am planning on replacing 9 double hung windows in 3 sets of 3. The frame for one window is about 22x58. So with inserts this would be a very small window. So why not do full frame replacements? The outside is stucco and I really don't know how I can install a full frame replacement without damaging the stucco exterior. I've gotten 2 quotes from renewal by Anderson and Marvin, both in the $15000 range. That is just too much so I'm looking at diy options. Any help, ideas?
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To be honest, between the storm sash and the window, a narrow framed insert will actually feel and appear larger (in terms of glass) than what you have.

If you look out the window, just off of perpendicular to the sash, you see quite a bit of storm window frame.

A full tear out is certainly and option but will be, as you noted, quite a bit more expensive.

Inserts would work just fine there. Looks like she has a good drip cap above them already.

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+1 to WoW's comments... I'd also add another option to drastically increase the window/glass size without doing a full tear out would be to remove only those mulls. That would probably gain you 12" or so on width, and wouldn't require touching that stucco.
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So would I tear out the mulls, then put a 2x4 in each area for the new window to attach to? The outside molding and exterior sheathing would have to be cut as well?
I was looking into the Marvin integrity insert line, hopefully this will work and look okay?
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What are you trying to gain by replacing these windows? Larger glass area? Better energy efficiency?

I have 16 old double hung windows in my home and have decided to restore them and add wood storm windows instead of replacing them. Two of the original windows had cheap single pane aluminum sash inserts installed by a previous owner. I removed one of these and replaced it with a Pella double pane wood insert, but for the other I'm planning to have replacement sashes built and installed in the old frame.
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I don't want to lose anymore glass area with the inserts, so I was told of modifying the opening. These windows do let in a lot of cold air, so the energy savings would be nice.
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+1 to WoW's comments... I'd also add another option to drastically increase the window/glass size without doing a full tear out would be to remove only those mulls. That would probably gain you 12" or so on width, and wouldn't require touching that stucco.
So do I put a 2x4 in and attach window that way. Do you have any suggestions on how I go about this?
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Do as shaft master is doing. Restore and upgrade your original wood sashes. Google for details on all the reasons why it's better. Bob Yapp travels around and does workshops for homeowners, check it out.
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I don't want to lose anymore glass area with the inserts, so I was told of modifying the opening. These windows do let in a lot of cold air, so the energy savings would be nice.
As I stated previously, removal of the storm sash with a replacement window, will make the window feel larger. That is the overwhelming feedback that we get from our clients when they have a single pane wood with storm window combination.

If you use a narrow profile replacement, while the net glass size may be slightly smaller, the opening will appear larger and actually let in more light in some cases.

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So do I put a 2x4 in and attach window that way. Do you have any suggestions on how I go about this?
A 2x4 is an option but not required if the windows are sturdy and mulled together properly.

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Do as shaft master is doing. Restore and upgrade your original wood sashes. Google for details on all the reasons why it's better. Bob Yapp travels around and does workshops for homeowners, check it out.
I am a big fan of restoration when warranted. If the windows are historic or otherwise worthy of preservation. I am not sure that is the case here and restoration is not for everyone.

Many folks don't like storm windows and the look that they give. They will be a necessity in any single pane application.
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Have you thought about sash replacements? I have used these and they work great and you don't have to give up valuable viewing area like with inserts. Basically you keep your original frame (assuming it is in good shape) and just remove the old sashes and replace them with new, less drafty sashes. It looks like you have rope and weights so you would have a little extra work removing the weights and sealing that hole up. The kits (at least from the company I use) comes with everything you need- sashes, channels, hardware, etc. They pretty easy to install, even by yourself.

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