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anthony232 09-11-2013 01:44 PM

Help with a Window Removal/Install
 
I just purchased a used BRICK home that was built in 1996. I am assuming that the windows are original in the house. I noticed some ants coming in my sons window stool, so I removed it. Upon further investigation, the window seal was coming away from between the glass and metal frame. So, I have decided to replace the window completely...it's in worse shape than I thought...I noticed it all because of some silly ants...which are another problem all together. :censored:

So, I am hoping to replace the window myself. Here is what I know about the window. I think they were installed around 1996 (if original). They are metal windows, and only the lower sash opens. The upper sash is an arched top, non-moving sash. The installation is in a brick wall. On the interior of the window, the window itself is recessed into the opening about 4-5 inches. So, the sheetrock goes around the window opening and toward the exterior 4-5 inches, then the metal window frame starts.

I have looked and looked and looked to figure out how to remove the window. I know not to do it until I order/receive/check the replacement window, but I want to figure out if I can do it before ordering the window and all that. I have watched countless videos showing women/men/cats/dogs removing windows from brick houses, but NONE of them resemble mine in any way. The windows they remove are mostly late 1950's windows...mine are more modern and are installed/removed completely different.

I really for the life of me cannot figure out how it's installed. I will try and add some pictures to this post tonight when I get home. On the exterior, there is a PVC type material going all the way around the window as like a 1/2" trim. I assume this will come off somehow? Most of it is already cracked anyways, but surely the removal starts in the interior of the house? I figured that the window would be screwed into the frame, but I can't find any attachment hardware anywhere. The outside casing of the window is all metal, and there isn't any exposed wood visible.

Finally, how do I order a window with an arched top? Do I need to give them the radius of the arched window for the company I buy them from?

I hate to hire someone to install ONE window...and I am a DIY-er...I would rather do it myself...and I am handy enough to figure this out...well, with a little starting help I guess!

Thanks in advance for any help, and hopefully I have provided enough info for you to help :thumbup:

Thanks Everyone,
Mark from Dallas

oh'mike 09-11-2013 03:19 PM

Pictures are needed---most likely the window has a nailing flange that is nailed into the framing behind the brick----you are looking at one of the most risky installations possible--

Your measurements must be correct---and flashing in the window right is difficult ,if not impossible.

I suggest you call a good window company for this one----

If you choose to DIY this---someone here will help--but this one is not without risks-Mike---

anthony232 09-11-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by oh'mike (Post 1240728)
Pictures are needed---most likely the window has a nailing flange that is nailed into the framing behind the brick----you are looking at one of the most risky installations possible--

Thanks Mike! You are probably correct...this might be above me, although I am not scared of a challenge. In the end, I normally get things headed in the right direction. BUT, another thing that worries me is the arc to the top stationary sash. The brick is also arced above the widow of course, and if I don't get the radii exactly right, there's going to be all sorts of issues!

I will update you tonight with pictures...might be tomorrow. The house is so new to us that we don't yet have internet and I don't know how difficult it is going to be to post pictures to this thread (I'm a 'newbie' here) with my cell phone.

Thanks again for your reply!

oh'mike 09-11-2013 03:46 PM

The radius window should be a standard size---few builders use custom sizes----if you pass a Depot or other store on the way home--pick up a window catalog ---

oh'mike 09-11-2013 03:48 PM

We have several members the are exterior pros----I'm mostly new construction and interiors----

anthony232 09-11-2013 03:52 PM

BTW...the whole reason this started was my son noticed little insects flying around his room. I traced them back to his window stool...they were coming out through a hole in the stool/wall calking, walking up the sheet-rock window frame, and up to an exposed accent wooden beam that runs the length of his room...then, who knows where.

If you can imagine, the room is like an A-frame roof, and at the top of the A, there is a 6 x 4 wooden beam running along the top of the A from one side of the room to the other opposite wall. There are 3 different insect body types (ages), but the same type of ant...There are SMALL black 'ants' that are about the size of two pen points put together. Then, they get a little bit (not much) bigger and they have wings. At this stage, they are about the size of a common gnat. Finally, the adults are black, about the size of an uncooked piece of rice, have wings, and the back of their bodies have light brown stripes/rings going around their bodies. THESE ARE NOT termites. I know what termites look like, and one surefire way to distinguish between the two are their antenna...ants have a bend in theirs, and termites are straight.

There isn't ANY type of evidence of them on the outside of the brick, and our house is on a concrete foundation. Is it worth me tearing into the wall below the window to see where they are coming from? I put a THICK layer of caulk to fill their hole between the sheet-rock and where the stool was nailed down in the corner, but that's only a band-aid so they aren't flying into my sons ear in the middle of the night! The only reason I haven't torn the sheet-rock off is because it seems to have a light texture to it, and I don't know how to replace the sheet-rock and give it that textured look...it's VERY light, and isn't like the real obvious texture!

Before I sealed off their access hole, I sprayed in the hole with A LOT of strong bug spray that only a licensed bug person can posses. I do not know if I KILLED them, but for now, the caulk is keeping them out!

Any advice on this matter while I am at it? LOL

joecaption 09-11-2013 05:59 PM

Once again without some pictures inside and out, and without a bunch of close ups will be needed.

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anthony232 09-12-2013 11:30 AM

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Can you tell enough in the pictures on how the windows are installed, and if I should tackle this one window myself? I will be stopping by HD on the way home and get a catalog as you suggested. Thanks!

anthony232 09-12-2013 11:33 AM

Forgot to mention...Look at the very bottom picture...This picutre is taken from inside...you see that section/strip that is about 1" wide and runs the entire height of the window? It's just off the screen, and sticks out into the widow opening. It looks like the center plate pops out or something. Does that come off and reveal attachment hardware?

Gary in WA 09-15-2013 11:46 PM

Either that strip is removable or there are plastic plugs covering the screws.... if needed, we can walk you through aluminum windows with nailing flanges behind the brick, it is fairly easy.

Gary

anthony232 09-16-2013 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary in WA (Post 1242152)
Either that strip is removable or there are plastic plugs covering the screws.... if needed, we can walk you through aluminum windows with nailing flanges behind the brick, it is fairly easy.

Gary

Gary,

Thanks for your reply...What info/picture can I supply you to tell for sure if there is a nailing flange behind the brick? Or, are you saying you can help with a NEW window by using nailing flanges behind the brick? I appreciate your help, I really want to get started on this before it gets cold...my son will be freezing in his own room. Is there some other picture I can supply you with, or, can I post a video for you? What can I do to help you help me?

Mark:thumbsup:

Gary in WA 09-18-2013 04:39 PM

You may need a replacement/remodel window; without flanges, or just cut them off.
In your pic, measure the framing width inside the window.... and the canned foam shouldn't be showing there...are there mounting straps (from window) under the pressed board jamb hims at top? Window frame appears to hanging out past framing... Need to get the new window first, as Mike said, then getting old out is not hard.

Gary


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