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ob2s 05-29-2012 06:30 PM

Help with sliding glass doors.
 
I am building a shallow storage for wine in my garage. 3 feet deep or less. It will hold bottles on metal racks. The back wall, floor and one side is concrete with earth behind/under it, providing some temp control. I don't have enough room to make it walk-in, nor could the the 3 surfaces keep a larger area stable temp-wise. The top and one side will have thermal wall material. What I need in the front is 2 sets of cheap sliding glass doors, which I can get for $375ish each. Problem is that sliding glass doors have one panel fixed, preventing my access to essentially 1/2 of the entire frontal area. I priced out 'dual active' sliding glass doors where both panels slide and they are $1600 per pair. That ain't happening. I can't put normal doors on because I don't have clearance for them to swing open all the way. I can't do sliding closet doors, because they won't seal. I was thinking about panels I could pull out with gaskets but then finding the materials to do it, I decided to ask for help with ideas.

Thanks for any suggestions.

biggles 05-29-2012 07:37 PM

so you basically have a 3' deep hole in the garage floor,and what you call the front is the top looking down into the hole if i get it right:huh:. how about an acordian slider cover :wink:to insulate it make a top cover out of styrafoam/cork after sliding the acordian over just lift the insulate panel up to reach in.any chance for a pix

cleveman 05-29-2012 09:07 PM

Use a 5x5 slider window with both sashes sliding.

Tham 05-29-2012 09:40 PM

^ That's a good idea. Using a big window. I don't think He's talking about a hole in the floor lol.

Tham

ob2s 05-30-2012 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggles (Post 931696)
so you basically have a 3' deep hole in the garage floor,and what you call the front is the top looking down into the hole if i get it right:huh:. how about an acordian slider cover :wink:to insulate it make a top cover out of styrafoam/cork after sliding the acordian over just lift the insulate panel up to reach in.any chance for a pix

THanks for the reply. The back wall of a garage. I am building a box on that wall, so the front is where you are facing that back wall. The box is built 3 ft out. Has an insulated top, and insulated sides. Though one side is also a concrete wall because the box is built in the corner of the garage.

I have been looking for 5ftx5ft dual sliding window but have had no luck. I have also looked for thermal accordian doors and found nothing. Large windows sound good, but most seem to be only 48" tall.

Thanks

cleveman 05-30-2012 07:13 AM

A better quality window will have both sashes operable and a full screen. Try Alside. Or go through your yellow pages until you find a local firm which makes their own windows in your town.

Jeld-wen has a 5x5 slider as standard, but only a 1/2 screen and only one sash operates. Maybe they can make you one with both sashes operable.

You could also try double doors like you see on freezer doors in the supermarket, but these would have to be used to be affordable. Then you may as well buy two freezers that don't work anymore and just have them sitting in your garage as insulated cabinets.

joecaption 05-30-2012 07:31 AM

I would check out used resturant equipment supplys for a used dispaly case.
Then you would have temp. control and have it be air tite.

concretemasonry 05-30-2012 08:39 AM

ob2 -

I understand your needs for a storage area that is thermally/moisture stable. Lightweight construction will not provide the stability without a lot of extra conditioning and cost. Most wine is aged in thermally consistent areas (massive) and not in stick built structures. Since you already have the mass on the 2 walls and the floor, the question is the third wall, the ceiling and the door side. I would suggest building the third wall out of concrete block (filled with sand?) with rigid insulation on the outside. The ceiling is a problem and obviously, concrete would be better since garages can experience some real temperature extremes, especially in the summer when a hot car or two enter a hot garage and that is where the mass is a benefit since insulation will only use power power and conditioning for a real wine storage area.

Is this a showplace to show off the wine or just for functional storage? Sliding doors offer little real sealing. Another, although ugly, suggestion is to put in one or two steel, insulated doors and back out the car when you need to open everything up for the few times when you need access. These type of doors can be sealed very well and can have thermal windows. Just close them to help maintain the thermal stability after the cool air has rushed out through the openings.

You just want to build a cave and make it work like one.

Dick

ob2s 05-30-2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by concretemasonry (Post 932086)
ob2 -

I understand your needs for a storage area that is thermally/moisture stable. Lightweight construction will not provide the stability without a lot of extra conditioning and cost. Most wine is aged in thermally consistent areas (massive) and not in stick built structures. Since you already have the mass on the 2 walls and the floor, the question is the third wall, the ceiling and the door side. I would suggest building the third wall out of concrete block (filled with sand?) with rigid insulation on the outside. The ceiling is a problem and obviously, concrete would be better since garages can experience some real temperature extremes, especially in the summer when a hot car or two enter a hot garage and that is where the mass is a benefit since insulation will only use power power and conditioning for a real wine storage area.

Is this a showplace to show off the wine or just for functional storage? Sliding doors offer little real sealing. Another, although ugly, suggestion is to put in one or two steel, insulated doors and back out the car when you need to open everything up for the few times when you need access. These type of doors can be sealed very well and can have thermal windows. Just close them to help maintain the thermal stability after the cool air has rushed out through the openings.

You just want to build a cave and make it work like one.

Dick

Thanks. At first I contemplated digging out a box, but the structural reinforcement would make it too expensive. I am not looking for a showcase, for sure ! The car that will be next to it will be sideways and on roll around wheels, so accessing the storage box with regular doors means moving a bunch of stuff around. It looks like I will have to build an active box, which I have been trying to avoid.


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