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bobgodd 10-11-2012 12:37 PM

First door install; have questions about stucco
 
Bought a prehung entry-way door from Homer's Depot and going to try to install it this Saturday. I've done some research and I think I got most of the procedure down, but I'm concerned about the stucco exterior. The new door (36") is slightly wider than the old door, and I assume that means that the jamb is also wider, which leads me to believe that I'll have to disturb the stucco. I was hoping to massage the new door into the wall without having to cut any of the stucco away.

If I do have to remove some stucco, what is the best way to do so? If the door is only a half inch wider, can i just shave down the side of the stucco, or do I cut it away? If I do have to cut it, what's the proper way to cut/remove stucco?

Thanks!

HomeSealed 10-11-2012 12:43 PM

How much wider is the new door?... 1/2"? What about the height? Most old homes have a shorter unit height than the 82" door that you can buy off the shelf. How about the jamb depth? ....
Perhaps someone from your region can weigh in as they might use different materials, but around here I won't touch stucco even if it does not need to be cut back. Inevitably it cracks up and falls apart.
You may very well have your work cut out for you here.

joecaption 10-11-2012 01:03 PM

Post a picture of the outside of the house.
If the door comes with wooden brick mould I always remove it and replace with vinyl instead so it will not rot.
Perfect time to reset the exposure on the trim so it fits your opening.

bobgodd 10-11-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1028914)
Post a picture of the outside of the house.
If the door comes with wooden brick mould I always remove it and replace with vinyl instead so it will not rot.
Perfect time to reset the exposure on the trim so it fits your opening.

Not only am I new to home-ownership, I'm also very new to renovations. I don't exactly know what a wooden brick mould is but I will post pictures when I get home tonight.

HomeSealed 10-11-2012 04:00 PM

The brickmold is the exterior trim that comes attached to the door. If that is all that needs to be moved then you will be okay. If you want to post some pics of your existing door, along with the jamb depth and frame height, we can give you some more specific advice. Being new to this as you've stated, I'd highly recommend that you figure out what you are in for prior to tearing into the old door, or even unpackaging the new one.

bobgodd 10-11-2012 08:59 PM

I removed the interior trim a few minutes ago. I didn't quite know how to measure the height of the existing door/jamb since it's still installed so I measured from the top of the threshold to the top of the jamb and it's 80 11/16, the same measurement on the new jamb is 80 3/8. The width of the old door outside jamb to jamb is 37 1/2, and the same measurement on the new door is 37 15/32. Based on my limited knowledge I think it'll fit rather well, no?

I've attached a couple pictures of the door from the outside.

Thanks again for all the help!

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...011_181938.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...011_181958.jpg

bobgodd 10-13-2012 05:22 PM

Ok, so.... Old door is out, new door is in.

Unbeknownst to me, I took out the stucco mold along with the old door jamb. Not knowing what a stucco mold even was, I was thrilled that I was able to remove the old jamb (with the stucco mold; thought it was all one piece) without disturbing the stucco. Slid in the new jamb and it is an extremely tight fit. I'd say that I literally have a total of 3/8" on both sides (hinge side + latch side) of gap between the studs and the new jamb. So now I have a couple new problems.

I have no idea how to shim this door properly when I cannot even insert a shim into the gap. The beam/stud is not quite plumb so I don't want to just go to town with the nails; but I haven't a clue how to shim the door with such little play :(. Any help would be MUCH appreciated.

Also, regarding the outside, the nice gentleman at Home Depot told me that I could use brick mould on the new jamb to cover the stucco and then just caulk around the brick mould... Does that sound right?

Some pictures (click!):

Inside view of available gap;
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...013_152316.jpg

Outside view of gap + stucco;
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...013_152345.jpg

Alternate angle of stucco;
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...013_152354.jpg

joecaption 10-13-2012 06:59 PM

Really needed to get the rough open level and plumb before installing the door.
Alway set the hindge side first.
Your going to need at least a 2' (longer is better) level, a framing square, caulking gun, tube of silicone caulking and one tube of latex caulking.
The silicone goes under the threshold to seal it, the latex will seal around the stucco behind the brick moulding.
The jambs need to be set flush with the outside wall not the inside.
In your case I think I would have install the brick mouding first to the jambs on the door before installing.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...oors&FORM=VDRE

bobgodd 10-13-2012 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1030234)
Really needed to get the rough open level and plumb before installing the door.
Alway set the hindge side first.
Your going to need at least a 2' (longer is better) level, a framing square, caulking gun, tube of silicone caulking and one tube of latex caulking.
The silicone goes under the threshold to seal it, the latex will seal around the stucco behind the brick moulding.
The jambs need to be set flush with the outside wall not the inside.
In your case I think I would have install the brick mouding first to the jambs on the door before installing.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...oors&FORM=VDRE

Hmm... If the jamb is flush to the stucco on the outside, how will I get the casing to fit on the inside??


Edit: There was existing flooring in the entry way already in place, with a transition panel thingy that was butted up against the old door sill... So I thought naturally I'll place the new door into the opening so that the new threshold butts up to that laminate flooring panel. If I don't, I'm going to have a gap that I don't know what to do with...?

joecaption 10-13-2012 07:22 PM

What do you mean by fit, do you mean be even with the inside wall?
Your would make up jamb extentions so it comes out even.
Please keep in mind I'm not there and can only go by your pictures so I have to just guess on some things based on how I've had to deal with things.

bobgodd 10-13-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1030247)
What do you mean by fit, do you mean be even with the inside wall?
Your would make up jamb extentions so it comes out even.
Please keep in mind I'm not there and can only go by your pictures so I have to just guess on some things based on how I've had to deal with things.

Would I be able to use/make jamb extensions that extend outward towards the outside of the house to make it level with the stucco then add the brick mould?

bobgodd 10-13-2012 07:33 PM

This is why I thought it would be best to put the door in as far as possible. The black edge is the inner-most edge of the new threshold, and its all the way up against the transition panel. If I put the door flush with the stucco, I would have a half inch gap there.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...013_173111.jpg


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