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Old 11-12-2012, 11:07 AM   #31
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If they are vinyl, just order new full screens. They are cheap and will then be factory and properly attached.

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:53 AM   #32
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If they are vinyl, just order new full screens. They are cheap and will then be factory and properly attached.
They are single hung windows. Full screens are not available, to my knowledge.

Here is what the window looks like. I need to cover this pane of glass with a screen.

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All materials deflect when a force is put on them. A dual plane window has a sealed gas in between the two panes. When the outdoor air pressure increases, the glass wants to bow inward. But there are ways to limit the movement. Thicker glass will bow less. And if you have a spacer bewteen the two planes of glass, that will also limit how far the glass can deflect.

Thats Engineering 101.

And that is only what I came up with in 10 minutes. I am sure the window designers have better ideas than these. But when they fix the problem, they are effectively admitting they had a problem with their windows, and open themselves up to the possibility of have to replace the siding on hundreds (or more) houses.
Are you suggesting that all IG units should be fabricated using thicker glass or by including spacers between the lites, or just replacement units for the windows that are involved in metled siding?
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Buy your neighbor some awnings.
... Seriously though, I have dealt with this a couple of times recently (with clients), and we replaced the vinyl with a thicker (higher grade) and the homeowner added protection with bushes/trees or an arbor/pergola. Clearly, your situation is not such an easy fix. I do think that a full screen would add some protection, however I cannot see how how it could be added without looking terrible. Perhaps you could convince your neighbor to replace the offending IG's (and do the same on yours) with a new unit with no low-e (even if it is on your dime). That would hopefully correct both the concave glass as well as the highly reflective low-e coating.
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Here's a solution from another angle: aluminum siding?
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Anything hot enough to deform vinyl siding is going to cause and accelerated failure of the finish on aluminum or hardie plank as well.
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Yeah, but at least I don't think it's going to melt.
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The times that I have run into this, there is a smallish area of siding that has been affected (a square or two). Replacing the entire home with a completely different material is most often out of the question (the OP can elaborate on whether or not that is an option in this case)... Plus, as WoW said, it really is not addressing the problem. Even if the siding does not melt, it or its finish will fail far more quickly.
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:43 PM   #39
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Yeah, but at least I don't think it's going to melt.
I sure hope it is not reaching 1,200 degrees but it will still melt and degrade the finish.
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Here is the report of the problem from the National Association of Home Builders. It provides some possible solutions to the problem. http://www.nahb.org/fileUpload_detai...ntentID=257914

capillary tubes may work depending on the gas used between the panes, check out the report

I have melted vinyl siding on the north side of my home from my neighbors windows. The vinyl on my home is older and not in the best shape. planning on replacing with some fiber cement clapboard.

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All double and triple pane windows will be concave or convex depending on the exterior temp vs interior temp.. The issue is how much the window is bowing. In your case, the window's curving far to much. More than likely those Pella's are low-end ones and need to be replaced. I had a few Pella's in my house (purchased from lowe's before I was educated on windows) and have since replaced them with better quality windows. Fortunately mine weren't melting my neighbors siding. As one person pointed out, Pella isn't the only brand that has had this issue. We've had customers with Anderson, Bonneville, Peachtree and various vinyl windows have similar issues. In a more than 1 case it ended up in court between the neighbors on who was responsible to pay for the damage.
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and what did the court say?
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In the one particular case I recall, the homeowner of the window was responsible for paying to replace the neighbors siding. To avoid having to do it again the following summer he also replaced the window. No issue since then other than I'm sure they neighbors aren't very social to one another. In that case it was an Anderson 100 series window (36"wx60"h) and the siding was Kaycan vinyl D-4.

- one additional note.. The homeowner did try to go back on Anderson, but they stated it wasn't a warranty issue.

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I'm actually shocked that a judge would take the case since there are no building code or manufacturing issues. live and learn

this is the notice put out by the Board of Building Regulations and Standards in Massachusetts http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/dps/i...y-aug10-10.pdf (pretty much the same as my other post)
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I'm actually shocked that a judge would take the case since there are no building code or manufacturing issues. live and learn

this is the notice put out by the Board of Building Regulations and Standards in Massachusetts http://www.mass.gov/eopss/docs/dps/i...y-aug10-10.pdf (pretty much the same as my other post)
Small claims court in a a rural court. The Judge is also a volunteer firemen and semi-retired farmer..lol

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