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Old 09-01-2009, 12:06 PM   #16
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Estimate #1: Alside windows, $325 each for double-glazed (U-factor .30) and $350 each for triple-glazed (U-factor .21). Minimum order = 10 windows.

Got estimate #2 today: Stergis double-glazed (U-factor .30) at $300 each. Minimum order = 6 windows. Fusion-welded and all stainless steel hardware inside.

For estimate #2, the sales guy was talking about wind resistance and said the Stergis windows are DP 50. I don't know if that's good or bad compared to other windows, but he did say these windows qualify for the tax credit.

Anyone have any comments on Stergis?

I have a Harvey installer scheduled to come by to give me an estimate tomorrow and a Champion installer is coming next week.

The Stergis model for estimate #2 is the Belmont.

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I have a Harvey installer scheduled to come by to give me an estimate tomorrow and a Champion installer is coming next week.

The Stergis model for estimate #2 is the Belmont.
There are a few grades in The Harvey Units.

The ' Classic ' is pretty much the middle of the road and best bang for the buck.
They also offer the fuse welded frames and sash.Ask him about his service policy.
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Got estimate #3 today:

Harvey Classics that meet the tax credit standard (not sure what the DP is): $360 per window, installed.

The estimate seems high.
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The DP rating is the performance criteria for windows and doors. Most reputable window manufacturers test their windows and doors for air and water infiltration along with structural and forced entry testing.
I believe you are in the Rhode Island area. The wind zone there is between 110 and 120 mph. I would suggest at least a DP rating of 35 to 40. You are safe with the DP50 that was mentioned.
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Got estimate #3 today:

Harvey Classics that meet the tax credit standard (not sure what the DP is): $360 per window, installed.

The estimate seems high.

We used to install these windows for around $375.
The price will always be dependent on the components that are added to the unit sa welded frames and sash/grids/double locks/lowE/Argon/full or half screens.Their warranty service is great so you may consider that as an asset.
Make sure all the windows you compare pricewise have the same components to make a fair comparison.
Check references for any installer you use also for peace of mind.Always better to be safe before than be sorry later.
Also some installers may include wrapping the exterior casings as part of the price.
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Does "wrapping the exterior casings" mean the same as "capping"? The rep from the company that is selling the Stergis/Alliance Belmont windows said capping was included.

All my estimates are for grids in the top sash, none on the bottom, federal tax credit eligible, etc.

What do you think of this --

Salesman #1 came inside my house, counted windows, but did not measure.

Sales rep #2 came inside house and measured every window.

Sales rep #3 did not come inside, supposedly measured from outside when I wasn't home.

All my windows are fairly standard size -- nothing really large.
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Does "wrapping the exterior casings" mean the same as "capping"? The rep from the company that is selling the Stergis/Alliance Belmont windows said capping was included.

All my estimates are for grids in the top sash, none on the bottom, federal tax credit eligible, etc.

What do you think of this --

Salesman #1 came inside my house, counted windows, but did not measure.

Sales rep #2 came inside house and measured every window.

Sales rep #3 did not come inside, supposedly measured from outside when I wasn't home.

All my windows are fairly standard size -- nothing really large.
Yes caping is the same as wraping,different areas,different terms.

I like salesman #2,seeing he took the time to measure each window,but this shouldn't be a deal breaker.

If the installer is the same person who showed up to give you a price,than he would be working on a lower overhead and IMO is more apt to do a good job,but ask for and check references.
Ask for years in business,past jobs,insurance certificates,etc.
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The people I've been dealing with work for/own companies that do their own installations.

#2 was also the only one that provided a long list of references, unasked. This particular company has gone from a rent-a-space storage facility to a 25,000 square foot showroom/warehouse over the last 25 years.

The others also seem reputable. I always ask who does the work -- full-time employees or subcontracted/day labor crews.
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Hi Amy,

I too am looking at replacing old wood double hung windows in my home and find that all the various choices make the selection process confusing.

Since this is a significant investment, I'm not planning on trying to do the work myself, but plan on hiring the installation work probably by the manufacturer.

I've selected vinyl instead of fiberglass due to the costs, but I am still wondering whether or not insulated vinyl is worth the extra money.

The installer I'm thinking about is looking to use a non-metal spacer (Super Spacer - his term), and is looking to provide Owens-Corning insulation rather than foam.

Does anyone in the community have input regarding the two items above?

Thank you for your input and have a great Labor Day weekend!
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Owens-Corning meaning the pink stuff?
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Hi Amy,

I too am looking at replacing old wood double hung windows in my home and find that all the various choices make the selection process confusing.

Since this is a significant investment, I'm not planning on trying to do the work myself, but plan on hiring the installation work probably by the manufacturer.

I've selected vinyl instead of fiberglass due to the costs, but I am still wondering whether or not insulated vinyl is worth the extra money.

The installer I'm thinking about is looking to use a non-metal spacer (Super Spacer - his term), and is looking to provide Owens-Corning insulation rather than foam.

Does anyone in the community have input regarding the two items above?

Thank you for your input and have a great Labor Day weekend!

The non metal spacer is a fairly recent substitute for the older method of making insulated glass.
Some call it warm edge glazing,and is known to cut down on heat loss through convection and because of it's properties extends the life of the panels.
The Owen -Corning is probably being used to insulate around the perimeter of the unit and is a matter of choice by each installer.
Some claim the foam is better,but we have used an O-C equivalent for years without any drawbacks.
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Estimate #4: Champion windows, $525 installed. This window has a U-factor and SGHC similar to the Alside triple glazed. The window has weep holes -- any idea if this method is good or bad for drainage?

I think I need to go to the showroom and examine the Stergis/Alliance Belmont more closely.

Given that this is a 90 year old house without insulation in the walls, I don't think it's cost effective to pay for anything more efficient than what's required for the federal tax credit. Does this sound logical?
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Owens-Coring is the pink stuff. Champion quoted a foam they claimed was proprietary to their company, but was willing to fill in with O-C the cavities where the weights were from the original windows. So far, they have come in at about $570, DH mostly, and 3 sliders, two of which were significant sizes. Also it is a tan color and that was slightly more.

I think I like the Champion window better, but am concerned with their warranty - lifetime for me, but only 1 year for anyone that purchases the home. They also have an "out" in their warranty regarding condensation, where as WindowNation pushes their "super spacer" preventing condensation issues.

WindowNation (Soft-lite distributor) is at about $600 per window, but they are trying to push a trim that is called a Nomar-5000.

So many decisions, so little money!
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Well you know where near me but here in California I have personally upgraded my own wooden double hung single pain windows to vinyl.

I used Milgard vinyl double hung replacement windows. I used a slope sill replacement type. It was easy for me. My local supplier www.doorandwindowplus.com charged me around 180.00 for a 4ft tall 3 foot wide double hung retrofit milgard window. They charge 110.00 per window for installation. I installed 4 in around 5-6 hours without ever doing it before. You need to have some tools tho. If you have a chop saw and possibly a table saw ( I had to cut down some custom sized stops) and can use a caulking gun and install molding your good.

Also 1stwindows.com will give you quick online prices after you pick your type and size of milgard window. Hope this helps.
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I've made the decision to pay for an installation because of lack of tools and time. My house has over 30 windows in it, so even though I'm not looking to replace all of them at the same time, it would still take me many weekends to get a significant part of the house completed.

Is capping that critical? Isn't it an extra layer over the exterior edge of the window to help prevent wind/rain penetration? I live in southern New England, so there's a winter, but I'm not on the ocean so no constant wind.

Since all the windows I'm looking at qualify for federal tax credit, I'm trying to figure out why two windows with the same energy efficiency (for example, the Champion at $525 vs. the Alside 3-glazed at $350) are priced differently.

The price on the Stergis Belmont includes capping. The Alside installer (estimate #1) charges $40 per window for capping. So it appears that when comparing apples to apples, the Alside 2-glazed is $365 and the Stergis Belmont is $300. Again a significant price difference.


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