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saturn500f 01-06-2013 11:11 PM

Brand new replacement windows leak cold air!
 
We recently replaced all of our leaky Double Hung windows with "Renewal by Andersen" Double Hung.

The installers removed the old sashes and stops and inserted the replacement unit in the hole, and

centered the window unit in the opening. I saw them plumb & shim the sides of the window directly behind

the pre-drilled screw holes in the jamb. (actually they didn't use the middle screw hole.)


The team was being very frugal with the foam insulation between the units frame and rough opening, they

only insulated the top and sides, leaving the area between the sill and the bottom of the replacement

window totally open. Once they completed the installation; the only thing blocking the air flow

underneath is the outside metal flashing and the wooden Stool on the inside.

I was very concerned by the incomplete foaming job but they assured me that they HAD to do it that way to

prevent condensation. In their own literature it mentions improper installation can occur if the

installer does not insulate fully between the window and the rough opening!

Now that it is below freezing our house is cold and drafty. Tonight its 32 degrees outside and using my

infrared thermometer the walls and frame around the middle of the window is 64 degrees... But the window

Stool measures 50 degrees. Some windows are even colder, you can feel a draft, I've even held a lit

candle close to the window seams and the flame bent at the draft.


QUESTION:
Is it ever correct to leave the entire bottom uninsulated?

joecaption 01-06-2013 11:24 PM

#1 There were suppost to apply a beab of caulking around the back side of the window stop trim where the window was going to be sitting againt.
I alway use spray foam under the window, other wise there's a big hole there.

When spraying the foam you have to not try and fill up the whole area or it will expand to much and bow the frame as it's expanding.
And yes there were suppost to install all the screws.

epson 01-07-2013 12:05 AM

They could have used this stuff which does not expand as much.

http://discountdw.com/images/F20808529.jpg

Windows on Wash 01-07-2013 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1088013)
#1 There were suppost to apply a beab of caulking around the back side of the window stop trim where the window was going to be sitting againt.
I alway use spray foam under the window, other wise there's a big hole there.

When spraying the foam you have to not try and fill up the whole area or it will expand to much and bow the frame as it's expanding.
And yes there were suppost to install all the screws.

+1

There should have been a bedding bead of sealant installed if they are not going to install any foam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by epson (Post 1088022)
They could have used this stuff which does not expand as much.

http://discountdw.com/images/F20808529.jpg

Joe was referencing window and door foam when he was talking about what he uses. The issues with this type of foam in this type of climate time of year, is that it does expand and does so more slowly. It is a controlled pressure so it should not bow the frame, however, special care needs to be taking to apply it in multiple passes so that it can grow to full volume and cure prior to capping the exterior.

joecaption 01-07-2013 08:28 AM

Exactly, if they filled the whole cavity, then reinstalled the trim without leaving room it open and waiting for it to finish expanding something has to give.
It would be interesting to see a picture of how they wrapped the out side.

saturn500f 01-07-2013 11:47 AM

Thanks for the info so far, I can post a photos of the lower sections tonight.
They did use professional low expansion foam in a cartridge gun.

I thought they were wrong leaving the entire underside wide open.
ON the outside they bent metal and inserted on side on the slot on the replacements frame and caulked down the other side that touches the cedar window wrap. There is a 1x1 trim that sits on the stool against the new window and its cold to the touch. I feel cold air blowing in under the curtains.

The inside comfort level (at the same thermostat setting) from our leaky 22-year old peachtree windows is about the same as I'm dealing with now.

I do have a photo I took while i was hanging Christmas lights. To my horror this is how I found the top section of a second floor window:
http://columbusrestauranthistory.com/window.jpg

Was the guy too lazy to go back down the ladder and cut a top section that was the correct size?

Windows on Wash 01-07-2013 11:55 AM

Wow. That is pretty terrible workmanship.

Have you called the vendor yet? If not, that is the first person that I would engage in and open conversation.

hammerlane 01-07-2013 12:16 PM

Were the windows bought at a particular home improvement store and then installed by subcontractors of the same home improvement store?

saturn500f 01-07-2013 12:52 PM

Ordered thru "Renewal by Andersen" local office and all done by their staff. (This branch is part of Southard Corp)

Windows on Wash 01-07-2013 01:35 PM

Call the RBA dealer. That is not acceptable work product. The goops of caulking are a real indication of poor quality.

SoCoSpartan 01-07-2013 01:48 PM

Holy hell that's a worse job than my gf trying to caulk baseboards. Def a callback

HomeSealed 01-07-2013 03:36 PM

+1 on the callback. Sloppy caulking and trim, and while the method of insulation around the frame (foam, fiberglass, or caulk) is up to their discretion (unless specifically stated in the contract), they are still obligated to install the units to minimum acceptable standards. Noticeable drafts and that trim/caulk job would not meet that threshold IMO. While RBA has a reputation for high price, to my knowledge they typically offer good quality installation and service. I would hope and expect that they will have no problem remedying those issues for you.

kwikfishron 01-07-2013 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windows on Wash (Post 1088296)
Wow. That is pretty terrible workmanship.

Have you called the vendor yet? If not, that is the first person that I would engage in and open conversation.

You're only as good as your worst guy...Sad but true.

saturn500f 01-07-2013 10:23 PM

Here are a bunch of photos so you can really see what is going on, I posted them on a website to save space here:

Views of the windows

HomeSealed 01-08-2013 08:13 AM

They are installed out of square. Definitely in need of some attention ASAP.
Did they tell you that they were not going to cap all the way to the brick? I'm not crazy about that either.


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