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TarheelTerp 02-06-2014 06:49 PM

Bargain Brands?
 
Can anyone suggest some brand names to look for?

Looking for casement to replace 50yo steel casements.
Thanks.

joecaption 02-06-2014 07:03 PM

Just my own personal opinion, no way would I want a casement window.
One of the most leak and problem windows you can buy.

Windows on Wash 02-06-2014 07:31 PM

Are you planning on taking out the entire steel buck or just setting as a frame jump? I would not skimp when it comes to Windows and especially not if you go with the casement operator.

Window Geek 02-08-2014 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TarheelTerp (Post 1302602)
Can anyone suggest some brand names to look for?

Looking for casement to replace 50yo steel casements.
Thanks.

Can you provide some more information? What exactly are you looking for? I know some people in your area, but they might not be what you are looking for and I don't want to waste your time.

TarheelTerp 02-08-2014 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Window Geek (Post 1303188)
Can you provide some more information?
What exactly are you looking for?

The names of some bargain brands to look for.

Fix'n it 02-08-2014 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 1302611)
One of the most leak and problem windows you can buy.

they do look nice. i used to have wood casements. the only problems i had with them were the crank mechanism, mostly the screws into the wood coming loose.

HomeSealed 02-08-2014 10:55 AM

Your money would be better spent on refurbishing your existing windows than on a "bargain" product. We replace bargain windows both vinyl and wood in 10 yrs and less on a regular basis.... Not saying that you need a Cadillac, but stay away from the supremely cheap stuff.

Window Geek 02-08-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TarheelTerp (Post 1303202)
The names of some bargain brands to look for.

What do you consider a "bargain"? What I consider a good value and what you consider a good value might not be the same thing.

Are you flipping houses? Are you replacing so you can sell the house? Are you replacing with plans to stay in the house for the next 20 years?

TarheelTerp 02-08-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Window Geek (Post 1303359)
What do you consider a "bargain"? What I consider a good value and what you consider a good value might not be the same thing.

Give it a shot anyway.
(not Andersen or JeldWen or Pella)

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Originally Posted by HomeSealed (Post 1303315)
Your money would be better spent on refurbishing your existing windows than on a "bargain" product.

You say this like you have even the first notion of my situation or needs or concerns..

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Not saying that you need a Cadillac, but stay away from the supremely cheap stuff.
Fair enough.
Care to name some of those brands to look out for instead?

Windows on Wash 02-08-2014 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TarheelTerp (Post 1303363)
Give it a shot anyway.
(not Andersen or JeldWen or Pella)


You say this like you have even the first notion of my situation or needs or concerns..


Fair enough.
Care to name some of those brands to look out for instead?

To HomeSealed's point above, he needn't really know your situation before making that recommendation.

Trust me when I say there are some real crap windows out there and I have surveyed homes where consumers thought they were getting a great window and they wound up with a window that leaked more air and was therefore more inefficient that their 50 year old predecessor.

What material are you looking for in terms of replacement?

Do you have a steel pan style casement?

TarheelTerp 02-08-2014 05:37 PM

Trying to get a straight and to the point answer out of you guys is just as hard as at the retailers.

Once upon a time you could go into a lumberyard who carried (meaning actually stocked some too) two or three brands of windows and look at the simply laid out price sheet and you knew where you stood in about 5 minutes.

I've been asking the same basic questions for two months from about six different sellers and am yet to get a coherent answer let alone any meaningful detail on installation.

It's almost like they're all trying to keep it all a secret... or frustrate you until you hire one of them to do the job for you.

All I'm asking is for the names of a few lesser known bargain window makers from people who know that business. Feel free to define "bargain" any way you like.

Window Geek 02-08-2014 10:28 PM

1st. The window market is extremely fragmented and localized. Outside of the national brands (which you have said your not interested in) it hard to give you an answer. We have 3 vinyl manufacturers in my area and I know they are not available in NC. Your "bargain" will probably come from a local company that none of us know anything about. Anderson is the largest company of the group and they might have 5% of the market.

2nd. A company like Jeld-Wen (formerly Norco, Cradaco, Jeld-Wen, & Posey) has a huge range of products and price points. Posey was a really nice window, Norco and Crapco were junk. Pella has 7 or 8 product lines with a large range of price points.

I don't think there are any "bargains" out there. I think you get what you pay for.

HomeSealed 02-10-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TarheelTerp (Post 1303363)
Give it a shot anyway.
(not Andersen or JeldWen or Pella)


You say this like you have even the first notion of my situation or needs or concerns..


Fair enough.
Care to name some of those brands to look out for instead?

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted the question Tarheel, the notion that I based my comments on is the request for a "bargain brand", which in 9 out of 10 cases means someone is looking for the cheapest thing that they can get their hands on.
There is no effort to be anything less than forthcoming with recommendations, but if you want more specific feedback it would be helpful to know more specific information.

- Are you looking for a wood, vinyl, or composite product?
- What colors and features?
- What are the goals for the project (ie: performance, longevity, appearance, cost, etc)
- Are you installing yourself? (Yes I know that this is a DIY forum, but that is not always a given).
- Do you have budget parameters that you would like to share?

TarheelTerp 02-17-2014 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Window Geek (Post 1303613)
I don't think there are any "bargains" out there.

I tend to agree. The collusion prevents it.
Even allows the crap to be sold at too high a price.

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I think you get what you pay for.
That would be nice. Maybe it's even true.
So far I'm not seeing it.

What should be "Bargain Brand" choices (eg: Atrium, SilverLine) do cost less but their cheaper materials and design are why they're lower. But they're really not all that much lower.

Waiting now for prices from Sun and WeatherShield
(allegedly they're both comparable to Andersen 400)

Window Geek 02-17-2014 06:03 PM

When Ed was still running the company I would have considered WeatherShield a good brand. His two sons are now running the day to day, and they have stripped a lot of the quality out to get the cost down.

The bought Peach Tree for the brand and the name recognition in the Southeastern market, but they moved manufacturing to the Vetter plant and now all Peach Tree is, is a rebadged Vetter window. Quality is awful. At one point Peach Tree was a good value.

Sun is a growing company that is trying to gain market share in the upper end. They recently purchased MGM to expand their vinyl line-up. We have used them on multi-family, but I've never used them on a private residence. We had some fading issues with their powder coat finish on a Nashville project. They do offer a Kynar finish as an up charge. They are made a few hours from here, and I didn't know they had a presence in NC.

I haven't used Anderson 400 or WeatherShield in 7-8 years, so things might have changed. I'm not a big fan of Anderson 400, but I would rank them above WeatherShield.


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