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cluelessloser 04-06-2011 09:07 PM

basement insulation - vapor barrier help please!
 
Hello everyone,


Let me start off by saying I have no clue what iím doing. I decided to finish a rec room in our basement. This is an old house with concrete block walls that were previously painted with latex paint.


I went to lowes and asked a random person about what type of insulation I would need. He suggested faced batt and then asked if I had put up a vaper barrier between the wall and the frame. I said no but if that is the best way to go I can still do that without too much trouble. Long story short, here is my current setup which after looking on the internet seems to be a terrible one.


I wrapped the back, sides, top, and bottom of my frames with plastic sheets I got from lowes. I have the frames directly against the concrete blocks. I then added the r-13 insulation with the paper facing the inside, and drywall over top. so from inside out I have drywall, frame/insulation, plastic sheet, block wall.


The basement is fairly dry. The few spots suspected of any moisture had drylok applied. There is a ledge about 5 feet from the ground that moves the wall out about 4 inched to the outside, so the upper two feet of the frame is not touching the wall directly leaving 4 inches of space between the wall and frame. My location is NE Ohio



I am kicking myself for just trusting someone and not doing any other research. Do you see any way to salvage this setup or do I need to remove the drywall and the vapor barrier. If it is possible to leave the frame against the wall what do you recommend using?
Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated.


Thank you!


oh, forgot to mention the setup is pretty much the same as this guys youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-OtAvBMT9k


Gary in WA 04-07-2011 12:36 AM

Welcome to the forum!

Something to chew on; http://publicecodes.citation.com/ico...001_par003.htm

http://www.buildingscience.com/docum...gs?full_view=1

http://www.buildingscience.com/docum...insulation.pdf

Gary

cluelessloser 04-07-2011 03:48 PM

Thank you for the reply.

It seems everyone has conflicting views on this issue, but it does seem that the best way to have gone would have been to attach and seal foam boards to the wall, then put the frame up against that.

I have read that with the setup I have now, since the plastic is touching the cool concrete block wall, condensation could happen on the inside of the plastic and then be absorbed by the insulation creating mold. Does that make sense?


Some people seem to think i'd be fine the way it is now and others act like it could not be worse. It is very confusing.

I think I can at least take down the drywall sheets and remove the paper facing from the batt. Everyone seems to agree that having the paper in basement walls is a bad idea.

If I were to put foam board against the cement block now it would be a big hassle since electrical outlets/wires and drywall are already in the frame.

Do you think it is worth removing all that?

Gary in WA 04-08-2011 12:34 AM

I would. The plastic will stop moisture leaving the basement and grow mold on the resin holding the fibers together in the batts. I guessing, no sill sealer under the p.t. plate to stop any air/capillary/thermal break, low density (R-11) 3-1/2" batt insulation inherent with convective loops, and no foam board air sealing the rims; http://www.diychatroom.com/f98/bigge...ulation-90438/

This from my other post; Check around at different web sites to compare information on basement finishing. A few examples; http://www.terrylove.com/forums/show...or-my-basement

http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/...ent-insulation

http://www.familyhandyman.com/DIY-Pr...-By-Step#step2


Gary

AllanJ 04-08-2011 08:40 AM

Short of putting hermetically sealed foam of sufficient R value on the wall, there will always be room air moisture condensing on the "far side" -- on the concrete foundation, on a plastic sheet hung on the concrete foundation, on a thinner foam insulation board with infiltration of non-hermetically sealed joints, etc.

One of the recommended methods is having rigid foam insulation against the wall first. Another is an air gap of about an inch between ordinary fiberglass batts and the concrete wall.

Still, the front side (against the drywall) should not have a moisture barrier or in the case of faced batts, numerous holes should be cut so any moisture that got in can reasonably easily evaporate back out during the summer when the wall isn't as cold.

HomeSealed 04-08-2011 04:49 PM

Clueless, GBR has got you covered. The only reason there is conflicting info is because some is outdated, and some is flat out incorrect. The most up to date, best practices can be found in GBR's links.


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