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Old 01-07-2014, 12:43 PM   #31
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Just out of curiosity why has nobody mentioned quiet rock? It seems this might be a good place for it.

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I could see where you have no recourse because of a verbal contract about all the extra work to do the sound proofing, but the total lack of workman ship shown should be a totally different issue.
I think you're probably right - the work is not completely finished (some wall sections are still single layer), so I can hopefully negotiate to not pay all of the total fee quoted for the double drywall. I'm already pretty sure that he's going to deny that there's any issue with the workmanship, so not sure how much I'll get off there.

I sent the photos posted in this thread to USG's technical support (this is the company who makes SHEETROCK) asking if the install appears to meet their installation guidelines for soundproofing applications. Will see what they say, if anything.

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Just out of curiosity why has nobody mentioned quiet rock? It seems this might be a good place for it.
The literature I could find suggests that QuietRock or similar products are not that cost-effective (it costs a lot, and the improvements in attenuation are modest). Green Glue appears to be a better option - if you look at option 2 on this page, the improvement from special drywall (option 2) is pretty small.

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A couple more standout photos from the butchery...



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Wow, I'm a painter who occasionally hangs drywall. I don't consider myself proficient at it, but, man, that's a butcher job even in my book! With proper measuring you can cut out for the electrical boxes with a drywall saw……..you don't even need a rotozip if you have some tape measure skills. That is awful work, but, it can be fixed by a QUALITY finisher.
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Wow, I'm a painter who occasionally hangs drywall. I don't consider myself proficient at it, but, man, that's a butcher job even in my book! With proper measuring you can cut out for the electrical boxes with a drywall saw……..you don't even need a rotozip if you have some tape measure skills. That is awful work, but, it can be fixed by a QUALITY finisher.
you don't even need measuring skills. a tube of lipstick can work wonders.

and if you cant line up where to screw, just mark the center of the studs and snap a chalk line.
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How drunk was this guy? Seriously, this is so bad that it almost seems like a joke.
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I can understand some inexperienced guy doing this work, all rushed and giving no f's on christmas eve. But I cannot understand a GC continuing to stand behind this work or refusing to make it right.
In the article I linked, it mentions 2-3% of failure in correct wall installation = 50% reduction in potential sound control. I think you got that....
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you don't even need measuring skills. a tube of lipstick can work wonders.

and if you cant line up where to screw, just mark the center of the studs and snap a chalk line.

hope your putting that on the BACK side
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It's become clear that my GC lacks both the competence and motivation to do a proper sound insulation setup. There's no way I have the budget to have an acoustic specialist do the work so, like many before me, I think the only way will be for me to do the drywall work myself exactly like I want it.

One big concern is whether I can "de-couple" the soundproofing from the rest of the project, so that we can get the family areas done. The practice room in question is part of a much larger basement renovation project that includes a bathroom, family room, and guest bedroom. What I would like to do is tell the GC to forget about finishing the music room, and just do finish everything else. My wife is already pretty annoyed with me that I'm causing problems when both she and the GC want this whole thing to be over.

The GC is contracted to lay down hardwood floor, which was slated to be put in *after* all of the drywall and finishing work. Would there be any big disadvantages if I do the drywall *after* they put down the hardwood floor in this room?

My plan would be to re-do the drywall entirely using two layers of 5/8" drywall with Green Glue in between, hung on GenieClips/furring channel. If the room were a perfect square, I'm pretty sure I could do it no problem. The tricky part is that the room has a bit of complexity in the form of a ceiling bulkhead for a duct, plus a small alcove for the door. The main service panel for the entire house also had to go in the corner of this room, and the electrician hung it out a bit (enough for a couple of layers of drywall) but nowhere near enough for 2x5/8" plus GenieClips (which total about 3").

I now wonder if it's realistic to do GenieClips over the bulkhead, which has a complex shape with some fairly small surfaces. I'm attaching some wide-angle shots of the room's drywall surfaces - would be grateful for any comments on how realistic this would all be.

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Probably the easiest wall:



The ceiling has three penetrations: a light fixture plus two vent holes



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For soundproofing against bass guitar noise transmission, you may also regret not having resilient channel and RC clips.
I already replied to this post, but I will say again that you are quite right.

It's worth mentioning that the room was left in its current state over the holidays. I had the time to set up my bass equipment in the room, and play some passages at moderate "bedroom" levels into a looping pedal. This allowed me to then go upstairs, while the bass kept playing, and assess the sound levels. I can tell you that the effect of just putting two layers of 5/8" drywall, plus Roxul in the ceiling and walls, is pretty minimal. There was a *lot* of sound getting up there.

This reinforces the conventional wisdom that some kind of resilient mounting, Green Glue, and very careful attention to gap sealing are really important if you want significant attenuation. I don't realistically expect zero transmission, but the current setup (for which I was quoted $1,400) does almost nothing.

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I got a followup quote from the GC - confirmed cost of the present work would be $1400, which might be ok if the drywall work was done well. To add RC and Green Glue would bring the total up to around $4,500 which is probably a reasonable price. I just don't have confidence they'd do the work carefully, and it's also so much money that it would be worth it to do the job myself with the help of a small contractor I know who does careful work (by my calculations I could do this for less than half that amount).

I told him to leave the office unfinished and I will do it. Not sure how much he's going to demand for the partial crappy job. I told him it was not done to adequate standards for sound proofing, and that I would have to re-do it properly. Any advice on how to approach negotiations here would be appreciated.

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Well I am not one to hire a lawyer, But in this case I would be talking Your fired! second I would be reporting him to what ever agency has jurisdiction over him. and yes law suit does come to my mind. even small claims court. I would not even pay him a dime and if his tools are still there on site I would be locking them up and holding them till he pays to have this done 100% right.
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Can not, or should I say should not lock up his tools.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
He can charge you with position of stolen property.

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