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toobhed 11-26-2011 11:38 AM

Strapping on ceiling, no header to screw into for walls
 
I am putting strapping on the ceiling and it looks like the ceiling will extend past the header once the sheetrock is up. There will not be any header left to screw the wall sheetrock to. I have studs 16 oc for the walls, will this suffice when screwing in the sheetrock where the ceiling meets the wall?

http://i1181.photobucket.com/albums/...d/d27d6b90.jpg

Bud Cline 11-26-2011 12:00 PM

What is "strapping" and where's the header? Yet another great close up photo but useless. How about a landscape photo?

Bud Cline 11-26-2011 12:03 PM

Okay wait I see.

Strapping is "hat channel" and header is "top plate".

So install some blocking between the studs to catch the drywall nails at the top, what's the big problem?:)

toobhed 11-26-2011 01:50 PM

Whats hard about that, hehehe, lotta extra work. :/

I am so close to drywall , i just want to get it done. If you were doing it on your own home, is this a must do step?

Ironlight 11-26-2011 02:12 PM

Anything that cuts down flexing and movement at joints is a good thing. It's going to be easier to put the blocks up now than it is to retape and sand every few years when cracks keep developing.

Bud Cline 11-26-2011 02:13 PM

Then don't do it! Doesn't matter to me.:) You came here for advice, we didn't come looking for you.:)

If the drywall isn't backed up cracks could develop, but maybe not.:)

toobhed 11-26-2011 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bud Cline
Then don't do it! Doesn't matter to me.:) You came here for advice, we didn't come looking for you.:)

Alright alright...just trying to gauge how important it is. Sometimes you get holmes on homes answers here when a guy might cut a corner doing his own house if it was not a big deal. I will just buck up and git er done.

Thanks for the advice!

mikey48 11-26-2011 05:26 PM

So what is hat channel?

Ironlight 11-26-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey48 (Post 779473)
So what is hat channel?

http://store.m-h-e.com/product_image...ort__00258.jpg

It has several uses, chief among them the hanging of ceiling tiles. I used it however to level out the ceiling in my kitchen/dining room when I pulled down the plaster and lathe ceiling.

Bud Cline 11-26-2011 09:08 PM

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So what is hat channel?
Every place I've ever been it has been called "Hat Chanel"...note the shape of the profile.

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Sometimes you get holmes on homes answers here when a guy might cut a corner doing his own house if it was not a big deal.
Mike Holmes and all of those ruffians he rode-in with are idiots when it comes to common sense approaches to remodeling!:)

titanoman 11-26-2011 09:13 PM

No different than no nailer between the studs on the top edge of horizontally-run lower sheet. Code may say different.

Bud Cline 11-26-2011 09:17 PM

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No different than no nailer between the studs on the top edge of horizontally-run lower sheet.
This is true if it weren't for the fact that this is at a "plane-change". On a flat wall all of the same plane blocking wouldn't be required but I think this is a different story.:)

titanoman 11-26-2011 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bud Cline
This is true if it weren't for the fact that this is at a "plane-change". On a flat wall all of the same plane blocking wouldn't be required but I think this is a different story.:)

Oh. I thought a wall just meets a ceiling w/no t/p or header to screw to. I didnt fully understand. I can't tell what I'm looking at in the picture.

Gary in WA 11-26-2011 10:51 PM

4.6.4.1 Treated or untreated gypsum panel product joints oriented at right angles to wall or ceiling framing members need not be located over framing or other solid backing.

4.6.4.2 Gypsum panel product edges or ends, oriented at right angles to wall framing, that occur above ceilings when the gypsum panel product is terminated at less than the full height of the framing need not be located over framing or other solid backing. Page; 10, here: http://gypsum.org/pdf/GA-216-2010.html

The board has plenty of flexural strength, more/less depending on the orientation: http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...U1o3kfoOlKl-7Q

Long as you are not playing baseball there……

Be sure to air seal the new drywall, required by code now if part of your thermal/air barrier.
If worried about cracks/movement, use paper tape rather than mesh.


Gary

swarren 01-07-2012 02:14 PM

Can someone explain to me why you would use hat channel? For flat surface for ceiling or sound isolation?


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