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Old 11-27-2008, 01:29 AM   #16
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This rant was by no means directed @ u I hear this complaint daily about how bad the finishers are from painters, which is why I now have a painting division so I can keep a handle on the whiners. U probably did not know it would create an issue because u were never told. But I am a finisher by trade and this argument has gone on forever.


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Old 11-27-2008, 06:19 AM   #17
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I tend to agree with Tracy. Having painted professionally for 26+ years, I learned real quick that quality rock hangers and finishers are worth their weight in gold. It has always been easy for one trade to point the finger at another. I have never believed in that concept. The times I have run into trades that arent as professional as they should be I try to tactfully bring it to their attention. Those who are offended, I wont work with again. For jobs I cant handle on my own, I have a list of people that I can vouch for. Thats the reason I try not to get involved with large commercial work or builders who arent as quality minded. Thanks for bringing your replies to everybodies attention Tracy; every once in awhile we need to be reminded that there are professionals in the various trades.
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Old 11-27-2008, 10:42 AM   #18
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Well said, I wish there was less fingerpointing in this business. We have structured our business around curtailing this issue. We sub only Electrical, Plumbing,and HVAC. I have separate crews for framing, GWB, Taping, Paint,and trim. I keep this with because all my crews have a vested intrest in expediting the project, ad not sacrficing quality, for speed, be efficient. I operate with the philosophy that it is faster to do it right once than do it fast 2x. I love to answer questions and lend a hand if possible that is why I am a member here, but not to point the finger @ someone else or give bad advice.
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Old 11-27-2008, 04:43 PM   #19
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To all the professional plasterer's and drywallers in here:

I never had anyone teach me how to plaster or drywall. I bought a 21 unit apartment block and learned mostly from my father how to do certain kinds of work, but learned to repair plaster on my own.

Why don't you guys supply each of the people that work for you with a bright light and a long extension cord?

I've found that the most necessary tool to have whenever I'm doing any plastering or drywall repair work (besides the trowel and necessary componds) is a bright light illuminating the area from a sharp angle to exagerate the roughness of the surface. This gives a person an excellent mental picture of where the surface isn't smooth and what needs to be done to make it smooth. Also, it provides immediate feedback on what you're doing; whether you're making the surface smoother or not. (The Homeowner would have immediately realized that his sanding the drywall paper was making things worse.) AND, it's blindingly obvious to anyone about to paint over that surface whether or not it's ready to be painted, thereby avoiding the finger pointing contests between drywallers and painters that come later.

When the joint compound looks OK under such critical lighting, it'll look perfect under normal lighting, and the resulting wall or ceiling won't cause problems. When doing ceiling joints that will be illuminated by ceiling mounted light fixtures or from windows that come to within inches of the ceiling, you need to work under critical lighting conditions anyway so you can see what the client will see. If you don't, then you may be in for a surprise later.

Just using critical lighting has helped me tremendously in achieving much better results much more quickly. I believe it would help the young people working for you as well. Or, at least, it couldn't do any harm, and it would eliminate all plausible excuses for not producing high quality work.

You don't need to read the rest, but I have a nice bunny here and I'm gonna put him in a sack and throw him in the river unless you do.

Also, I am a firm believer that it's possible to refute what someone else says without offending them. Saying, "No, that's simply not true." carries much more weight with me than "BULLSH!#". At least in the former case, I presume I'm dealing with someone in full control of their faculties. In the latter, I know I'm dealing with someone who's emotions are controlling them.

Also, it's perfectly acceptable to NOT refute what someone else says. Everyone in here may have a different take on the problem and the appropriate solution. It's fine to simply state what you think without stating that someone else is wrong. None of us can see the problem with our own eyes, and the original poster knows that he's getting differing opinions and it's up to him to see what solution seems to address his situation and problem best.

(I think everyone in here would agree that it's kinda counter productive to sand the drywall.)


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