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Old 08-31-2012, 10:48 AM   #1
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Hello all,

I am in the process of finishing my basement and have a couple questions before I have a taper come in and finish the drywall. I am planning on attaching the outside corner bead myself in hopes of saving a few bucks. I know that I am not skilled/patient enough to tape and mud myself and achieve a professional look.

What is the preferred type of corner bead, vinyl or galvanized metal? Or others that I am not aware of.

Is it best to cut the beads with a pair of tin snips?

I have a dewalt screw gun that uses the duraspin linked screws. I probably have about half a bucket of 1 5/8" screws left over after hanging the rock. Can these screws and gun be used to attach the bead or would the taper prefer I use nails? If so, what type of nails do I need?

I have attached a picture although I doubt it will be needed.

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Old 08-31-2012, 02:37 PM   #2
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Looks like it's going to be a nice room!

For corner bead I like to use galvanized metal over the vinyl stuff. The metal can get dented, but the vinyl can shatter if hit hard enough. So I think it's easier to repair the metal bead.

I use tin snips to cut it, first cut one side and then the other side. If there's a little bit still in the middle bending it a few times usually breaks it clean.

As for attaching it, make sure the inside angle of the corner bead is slightly acute, meaning less than 90 degrees. This ensures that there is enough room to cover the nails/screws with compund. I use screws to attach it, but I don't think it matters. I don't use nails because I usually end up mis-hitting at least one and denting the metal. With screws, they need to be driven in very straight, and not over driven. If the screw is angled at all pull it out and try again because it will likely stick out. If you over-drive the screw you can cause the edge to lift up slightly from the wallboard and over time this can cause the joint to crack as it moves.

To be honest, my new favorite is metal corner bead with the paper joint tape on the back. You just use compound to stick it in place! As long as your joints are tight you should be fine to use those instead.


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Thanks, that is great info!

So basically I can use the screw gun if I can get the screws in straight? I would just prefer to use up the screws that I have.

On a separate note, I had a guy come out and measure for taping yesterday. He got back to me with a quote of over $1600 for what he said was 4 days work. I assume he would be doing the work by himself.

I know this type of question is taboo on this site but can someone tell me if this is reasonable? I figured that breaks down to $50 an hour! I don't really know the square footage but what you see in the pic is essentially it. The room that you can barely see into is about 12x15 and the stairs are just around the corner by the bare framing.

I'm not looking for a quote or estimate, just your first impression of the price based on the pic.

What is a rough hourly rate that a professional drywaller on this site would require?

Thanks for your help!

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Don't use screws!

They will pucker the metal bead---Use drywall nails or 1/4" small crown staples.

You better talk to your taper before you add the bead----improperly done the taper will rip it off and re do it --or tape it any way and hate you--or walk off the job.

I don't mean to be harsh--but the corner bead might not be the place to save money---done poorly the taping job takes longer and might not look as good.---Mike----
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:17 PM   #5
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Mike,

I understand the importance of perfection with every aspect of drywalling. I have been meticulous up to this point. I have watched several videos about installing the bead and feel as though it can be done DIY. I will at least try it on a few corners and if I can't get it straight and flush, I will leave it to the pros. Thanks for your input, it was not taken harshly!

Do you have any input about the cost aspect?

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corner bead is cheap and fast to install---Your taper is the one to give you a price---he should not charge much---I don't have a price as that is usually done as part of the hanging cost.

And ,Yes--it can be done DIY--but use nails or staples---keep it straight--especially on soffits- I recently had to fix a DIYers hanging and taping job--cost the customer over $3000 to salvage the mess---sorry if I'm out of sorts about this--but attention must be paid to the details.
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+1 to the details...

I can see where Mike is so adamant about them. I can also see his point about using nails/staples vs. screws. It just happens that screws works well for me. I know some other people use screws as well, but as I mentioned they come with their own set of problems. Either way a box of nails is $3 and I'm sure you'll use the screws up when you have to drywall something again (just don't advertise that out to friends So either way it's not going to cost a lot in materials. Please note that I'm not a professional, though I have a decent amount of experience. I can say that the taping is quite time consuming and 4 days work probably isn't unreasonable IME. Plus extra care has to be taken in certain areas like the ceiling and around lights & soffits.

I will say again that I'm liking the paper-faced corner beads a lot, as long as the joints are good and you can set them straight.
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The paper backed corner beads are used by many pros---I still use metal---I'm slow to change when something works well for me.

I didn't mean to be rough on you last night----I've seen many problems with screws---and was afraid that you would encounter them.

Cut with tin snips--miter corners---keep soffits straight---and have fun.
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Seems fairly reasonable price.

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I'd agree with letting the taper do the corner beading-They would probably prefer that as well.

That cost seems in line to me- You have to remember as well, you can't really calculate how much he is making per hour, as you don't know his overhead costs- Office, bookkeeping, liability insurance, vehicle and tool upkeep, employees on payroll, etc.

anyways a good drywall finisher is worth paying good money-Someone who will do quality work in a timely efficient manner.
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I have one taper I use for larger jobs----I pay what he asks and look no further----the finishing is like plastic surgery---when you find a good one you stop shopping around----I don't even check on his work--it will be right.
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Have him use paper edged corners, they don't fasten to the framing that cause cracks later; http://www.usg.com/rc/brochures/shee...e-en-J1996.pdf

Use shortest fastener required, pp. 11,12 in blue on left; https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...711HulsBKUaB2g

Required length/spacing; http://www.lafargenorthamerica.com/G...%20English.pdf

Thanks for the pics!

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Thanks everyone for all of your help! I have received a couple of quotes and had the tapers provide seperate line items for the corner bead. After finding out that one guy wanted $150 and the other wanted $200 for the bead, I decided to let the pros handle it.

Thanks again for all of your help! I am a huge fan of this forum! It is great to have a place to ask all sorts of questions and get honest, and professional feedback.

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