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Old 03-21-2011, 09:42 AM   #31
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I'd say that pretty well does an excellent job of answering that question.

Folks.......... if you ever want to know something like that, Gary is the 'go-to' man, hands down.

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wow, we actually live in an age where we rely on compressed white powder board with a paper facing for structural strength, huh?
holy mother, no wonder when the wind blows houses collapse.
hows the structural strength of drywall after paint? have they calculated the strength of paint applied vertically or horizontally? We should probably drywall horizontally, and paint vertically to lace it all together for maximum strength.
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wow, we actually live in an age where we rely on compressed white powder board with a paper facing for structural strength, huh?
holy mother, no wonder when the wind blows houses collapse.
hows the structural strength of drywall after paint? have they calculated the strength of paint applied vertically or horizontally? We should probably drywall horizontally, and paint vertically to lace it all together for maximum strength.
Frightening, isn't it? And all the more reason to research and consider the "Best Practices". Often what we think is no sweat, or no problem can, indeed, be of major importance.

On the painting...... Probably if you paint the first coat at a 45 degree slant in one direction, only, then let it dry..... and then apply the next coat on a 45 in the other direction, you will develop layered strength similar to a bias-ply tire.
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"So, someone please tell me how a compressed board made of powder, 1/2' thick, and covered in paper, is going to "lace the studs together better" or "provide more strength" ???
drywall takes the shape of whats underneath it, no matter which way you go. The "grain" of drywall?" -------


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Why haven't drywall makers gotten smart and put tapered edges on all four sides?
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Why haven't drywall makers gotten smart and put tapered edges on all four sides?
I'm guessing it has something to do with how they cut it into lengths, vs production costs, etc.?
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I'm guessing it has something to do with how they cut it into lengths, vs production costs, etc.?
if one would watch the production of drywall, it is easy to be seen that it would be another process that does not lend itself well to the current manufacturing process. rock is made in continuous sheets and cut to length once semi-cured. Adding a reduced edge on the ends would be a really big change in their process.


Additionally, a reduced edge would generally cause more work for a finisher. Can you imagine having a reduced edge at the base of every board? what a hassle that would be. (hey, there's another reason to not lay horizontal) Of course, if the rock wasn't the exact correct height one would put the cut edge down and leave the reduced edge at the top for the joint with the ceiling

and speaking of such; I have seen where a reduced edge was a real PITA when using drop ceilings. If you use 4' wide sheets and want the ceiling @ 8', you have the reduced edge to deal with.
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if one would watch the production of drywall, it is easy to be seen that it would be another process that does not lend itself well to the current manufacturing process. rock is made in continuous sheets and cut to length once semi-cured. Adding a reduced edge on the ends would be a really big change in their process.


Additionally, a reduced edge would generally cause more work for a finisher. Can you imagine having a reduced edge at the base of every board? what a hassle that would be. (hey, there's another reason to not lay horizontal) Of course, if the rock wasn't the exact correct height one would put the cut edge down and leave the reduced edge at the top for the joint with the ceiling

and speaking of such; I have seen where a reduced edge was a real PITA when using drop ceilings. If you use 4' wide sheets and want the ceiling @ 8', you have the reduced edge to deal with.
Au contraire, Mon Ami. The indentations along the top give you a convenient trough into which to bury the tape joint between the wall and the ceiling. It's even better if you can have a recessed edge on both the wall and the ceiling.... but you can't have everything.
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Au contraire, Mon Ami. The indentations along the top give you a convenient trough into which to bury the tape joint between the wall and the ceiling. It's even better if you can have a recessed edge on both the wall and the ceiling.... but you can't have everything.
Um, willie, please note that I was addressing a drop ceiling, as in T grid and lay in tiles.

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and I did mention putting the reduced edge to the ceiling where it would meet a hard deck.
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Additionally, a reduced edge would generally cause more work for a finisher. Can you imagine having a reduced edge at the base of every board? what a hassle that would be. (hey, there's another reason to not lay horizontal) Of course, if the rock wasn't the exact correct height one would put the cut edge down and leave the reduced edge at the top for the joint with the ceiling
Sorry, I thought I read you were looking at making a "joint with the ceiling". Guess I misread it.
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Sorry, I thought I read you were looking at making a "joint with the ceiling". Guess I misread it.
I was in the part you just quoted and I said to put the reduced edge at the ceiling.

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maybe if I went a bit further: when using 2 sheets stacked, if one needs to cut a board to fit the wall height in a situation where there is a hard ceiling, the upper board would be installed with both reduced edges intact and the lower board would be set so the reduced edge meets the upper board and the cut edge would be at the floor (or actually; nearest the floor since one would leave a gap between the actual floor and the wallboard).

while I will admit I did not clearly state the situation involving the meeting of the two boards, one with both reduced edges intact and one with only one reduced edge intact, I felt the important part of the description, the meeting of the upper board and the ceiling, was adequately described so as one would understand the intent of the overall installation.

Now, is that any clearer?

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Huh?

I am verbose when bored.

Come to think about it, I tend to be verbose most of the time.
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[quote=GBR in WA;613654]"So, someone please tell me how a compressed board made of powder, 1/2' thick, and covered in paper, is going to "lace the studs together better" or "provide more strength" ???
drywall takes the shape of whats underneath it, no matter which way you go. The "grain" of drywall?" -------

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...U1o3kfoOlKl-7Q

Mountain Drywall, please use the "quote" button when quoting someone, as I am now. That was not my question..... It was also a quote------ then the answer, which you left hanging like a new sheet without texture....LOL.

Drywall is very good in a fire, hence the requirement; http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf2003/crame03a.pdf

How about that.... my "quote" didn't work either!

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How about that.... my "quote" didn't work either!

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