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Old 02-18-2012, 12:37 AM   #1
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Alright, you guys have been great so far. I am getting ready to tackle this drywall project this weekend. I was in Lowes this evening at the things that I need that I do not already have. I was a little lost when looking at the mud though. I know all the supplies that I will need. I am fairly certain I will be using paper tape (even though my step dad who is a painter and who does to a lot of taping says mesh is the way to go). What muds do I need? I plan on getting them from lowes so if you could hit the website and specifically point out what I shouuld be getting, I would be very appreciative. Thanks!

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You will need bag mix---easy sand--20 45-90-minute--

Very hard and fast setting---used to fill gaps and voids--fill corner bead---

multi purpose- green lid---contains glue---used to set the paper--often used for second coat--
(some pros use this for final coat also)---Hard to sand---fairly quick drying time

Light weight--blue lid---very easy to sand---used for final coats---slow to dry

Whipping the bucket muds with a drywall mixer will give you a smoother and more consistent product.

I use paper tape---I have seen good jobs with mesh -but hairline cracks are more common with mesh.

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Just be aware if you are drywall Noob (no offense intended) that setting type compound will set. Depending on how big your job and how fast you work you may get stuck with a lot of waste.


My first "hot mud" experience went something like this...90 minute mud, one lousy finisher (me), 600 SF of wall, guess I'll just mix the hole bag in a 5 gallon bucket and work out of that.


If the pan starts getting warm in your hands your done. You can push on for a couple more minutes by adding extra pressure to the knife but very soon you will making more work in scratch repair than you want.
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:21 AM   #4
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@CplDevilDog Thanks for the response! And I LOVE your signature...the Jerk is one of my wife and my favorite movies.

So you are suggesting just mixing a little at a time then? I dont have too much but yes I am a pristine tied with a bow drywall noob so it will probably take a litle bit of time.

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Thanks.

I started out using a work light oblique to the wall surface while applying the mud. I don't recommend this.

Use the light between coats to knock down high spots and identify low spots to fill.

Don't try to sand out low spots.

Focus on leaving a smooth feathered line along the outside edge by applying slightly more pressure to the outside of the knife.

No more than 2 passes over the mud. Put it on, wipe it off and move on.
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One more question. Do I sand between each coat or just scrape ridges? Then sand at the end? Thanks!

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Quick, put the lid back on that can o' worms!

Depends on who you ask

I knock down the ridges and sand the edges.
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Just use a drywall blade and knock off the ridges---

Most 'greenies' try to use to much mud----keep your layers thin---
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So, based on your recommendations, I got the following yesterday at Lowes. I just wanted to be sure this is in fact what you were referring to:

For the taping, I got SheetRock Lightweight Setting-Type Joint Compound 90 Minutes (not brave enough for anything faster than that!).

http://www.lowes.com/pd_12157-325-38...und&facetInfo=


Next Coat, I got Sheetrock All Purpose Joint Compound (Green Lid)
http://www.lowes.com/pd_11751-325-38...und&facetInfo=


Final coat, I got Sheetrock Lightweight Drywall Compound (Blue Lid)
http://www.lowes.com/pd_11770-325-38...und&facetInfo=


Is this all the right stuff? Thanks!

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@cpldevildog
Thanks for your suggestions...I used exactly what you recommended and it seems to be working great. I am working now on the final sand and everything is going pretty well. So far the only place it seems like I overapplied any mud was in the inside corners for some reason.

The lightweight(blue) finishing mud seems to be a bit "whippy" if that makes any sense. At first I was getting a lot of pocks and deep crevaces because of the lightness of it (even after adding water) so I added about half a shotglass of dishwashing liquid and it solved that problem.

On a side note, my step dad (painter of 20 some years) came over earlier and said that it looked really good...better than a lot of "pros" he has seen. And no, he wasnt just being nice bc he is the type of person who would certainly say what he really thinks. So I guess Im doing alright for my first go round. Although next time i would want to focus on not having quite as many touchups. Additionally, I will mud the screws in one long stroke instead of all individuallyy!

Thanks again for the help.

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Just a tip since ya got everything else handled nicely , more than one coat over the screws will be required because as your mud dries, it settles into the hole - do em separate not in one swipe, makes for a cleaner finish AND youre only sanding small areas NOT giant 8ft lines around the room (Just my opinion though).

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From one novice to another when mixing the powder form mud, I've found that a Dixie cup (the small one) is the perfect measuring device. I bought a huge bag of 20 minute mud and have been chipping away at it for months. for small touch ups 1 to 2 cups worth works perfectly. I've found that up to 4 Dixie cups is doable before it sets prior to completing your patch job.

Also, for filling screw holes, I've found that if you take your knife with a scoop of mud on it, cover half the screw hole and then press the knife down so the mud squirts out, it fills the hole completely without that annoying air bubble effect and doesn't shrink as much either. if you have more spackling to do, good luck!

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