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Old 10-05-2011, 07:15 AM   #16
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What next? You call a painter and tell him how many sheets you bought and he bases his price to paint the place on how many total sheets you purchased?

I'm not seeing where the finisher is entitled to be paid for square footage that isn't there and it isn't any of his business how much waste there was. You bought the waste once and threw it in the dumpster why keep paying for the waste over and over in phantom charges? You paid the first guy because he had to handle all the waste and that's fair enough but it has to stop somewhere.

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That was more or less my thought on it as well. More than likely he will come out for a quote, I haven't talked to my neighbor about why he didn't for his. Like I said he had previous quotes, maybe he already had solid numbers. I'll know in a couple weeks, when I get the final pieces in after plumbing is all finished up. Just trying to stay ahead of the ball here.
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Here's an example of why "boards hung" (not "boards bought") is generally used.

If you had a 12' wall..... that would be two boards hung. Or 48x2= 96 square feet to finish.

But if you had a 12'-6" wall..... that would be two boards, and an additional 6" hung on both the top and bottom runs. Or 48.5x2= 97 square feet to finish.

Now, let's assume the finisher is charging 1.00 a square foot (not at all realistic, but it keeps the math easy)

In the first case of just an even 12' wall he would get $96. And all he would do is basically fill and sand some screw holes. (We're not counting corners in either of these comparisons.)

In the second scenario he gets a dollar more, $97. Just one dollar. But he now has to tape and finish two butt joints ( 96 inches of taping) in addition to the screw holes he would have finished in the first example.

Of course this sounds great to the guy doing the paying...... But is it at all fair?

To put it another way, and bring it closer to home..... Would YOU like to be the finisher in this second setup? Would you look forward to taping and finishing an entire 48 inch butt joint for 50 cents?

This is why "boards hung" is the usual and accepted method of estimation used by finishers. Just straight square footage is not a true indication of the actual amount of work to be done.

Scrap? That is the hanger's responsibility. A good hanger who uses his head and has the experience to hang economically will have far less waste than a poorer hanger who may cost you money at both ends.
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Well that's the first I've heard of that. I think that's weird. These other guys may do it that way but we have always paid for the square-foot that was finished plus extras.
Square footage always, hang and finish.

We pay based on installation not materials purchased.

Buy a range finder and easily measure actual footages then pay based on that down to the penny.
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That may work for you, but it is not the industry standard. My previous employer bought drywall by the semi load. We stocked, hanged, and finished. We had up to 30 people hanging and finishing in our heyday. Board foot was the accepted standard by every drywall company in town.
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Our area it's 'by the board' ---so much to hang---so much to tape---My favorite taper will not tape any work hung by amateurs.
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That may work for you, but it is not the industry standard. My previous employer bought drywall by the semi load. We stocked, hanged, and finished. We had up to 30 people hanging and finishing in our heyday. Board foot was the accepted standard by every drywall company in town.
Yes but from a business perspective doesn't it make much more sense to go by board foot if you're also hanging the stuff? You can quote it out because you know exactly how you'll be hanging it.

If you were simply finishing, would you really be quoting the same price for a houseful of 8' sheets as you would a house full of 12' sheets?
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Yes but from a business perspective doesn't it make much more sense to go by board foot if you're also hanging the stuff? You can quote it out because you know exactly how you'll be hanging it.

If you were simply finishing, would you really be quoting the same price for a houseful of 8' sheets as you would a house full of 12' sheets?
This is the crux of the matter. How cut up is it? How many joints do I have to contend with? How high is the ceiling? How many of the cuts are angles? Warehouse or multi windowed home? How many protrusions?
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Here's a simple one.

How would you like to be paid for this one?

A gigantic flat walled warehouse 8' high................. OR........... the same warehouse with 83 windows and little 1 foot divider stub walls every six feet? BTW, the second warehouse is 7 " taller, and you can only get 48" boards.

Would you feel fairly treated if you hung (and/or finished) both for the same flat square foot rate? After all, the square footage is almost identical.

Remember, I'm not asking "How it's done around here"..... but rather, "How would YOU prefer to be paid".
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Obviously the taper needs to see the job---

Letting the customer see a square foot price is kind of foolish--Most prices are based on estimated time--materials--overhead --and profit.

If a customer remeasures a job upon completion and comes up with a different square foot number that the contract --a problem could occur.
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Here's a simple one.

How would you like to be paid for this one?

A gigantic flat walled warehouse 8' high................. OR........... the same warehouse with 83 windows and little 1 foot divider stub walls every six feet? BTW, the second warehouse is 7 " taller, and you can only get 48" boards.

Would you feel fairly treated if you hung (and/or finished) both for the same flat square foot rate? After all, the square footage is almost identical.

Remember, I'm not asking "How it's done around here"..... but rather, "How would YOU prefer to be paid".

Nicely put Willie T!!

Get a quote from the guy cuz he can quote whatever he wants. If you don't like it. Call someone else. Or do it yourself.

Plus, some finishers don't like to finish other peoples work, cuz they don't if the sheets are hung correctly. So when if wall has a crack who do you blame?? the person who finished it.
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I've always gotten a kick out of sq.ft. pricing.

All most contractors do is figure up what it will cost them to do it the way they always do it, then divide that number by the square footage of the current job.

Bingo: Square Foot Price.
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The finishers should be paid for every sheet hung. If you used all 200, pay them for 200. If you bought 200 and only used 185, pay them for 185. It's common practice. The hangers would expect pay for all 200 sheets even if they threw out 30 sheets worth of scrap (like door and window cutouts, etc.) When I used to hang new houses by the board, we always had a place we wrote the board count for the finishers so they knew what we hung (on a door jamb or somewhere they knew to look). There was often a (full) sheet or three left over and that was deducted from the count.
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8' ceilings? Nothing too out of the ordinary? Multiply your floor sq footage and multiply by 3.9 there's your approx drywall sq footage divide by 48 and there's the sheets he's pricing on. Forget any scrap that's not a full sheet. A closet or stairway with pieces takes much longer to finish than a full sheet on the wall.
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If you are a Gereral Contractor bidding a job then you will have a price per sq' that you know you can get the work done for.... but you may have to add for height, sloped ceilings, skylites, full window walls and so on but you will be able to get your bid in for the total job.
If you are having a project bid out then the drywall company will give a bid for that project it may be per house or for the project.
If you are a homeowner piece bidding a job then you are seeing what happens. I think you need to measure how many feet of tape joints they will be taping and tell them you will only pay $.05 a ' of tape and call it good. We all know taping is the easy part

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