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yogi_bear_79 10-04-2011 01:13 PM

Counting Sheets for Finishers
 
So my finisher quotes by the sheet. They don't come out ahead of time, so I don't want any issues. I know how many sheets I ordered, but obviously there is quite a bit of waste when doing an entire house. I don't think it is fair to me, to tell him I bought 200 sheets, as he wouldn't be finishing 200 sheets. I could go around and count the full sheets and estimate the partials. I used drywall calculators online, but when my carpenter brother did the actual numbers they were much higher. He says this is because he can see the walls, and figure waster where the calculators do not. Thoughts?

AGWhitehouse 10-04-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yogi_bear_79 (Post 742081)
So my finisher quotes by the sheet. They don't come out ahead of time, so I don't want any issues....Thoughts?

I think this sounds like a bad situation brewing. They don't come out ahead of time? No quote? Sounds a little un-professional...

They may price by the sheet, but a professional shouldn't leave it up to you to count. You should know what the price is before they ever show up to work. It's called a Pre-Bid walk through. And every job I ever done or been a-apart of has had one.

Bud Cline 10-04-2011 02:06 PM

You will pay for the scrap, that's the way it is. I would find someone interested enough to first do a site visit and do his own estimating so that he can give you a firm price up front. You are headed for trouble and a feud using your current approach.:)

yogi_bear_79 10-04-2011 02:08 PM

While normally I would agree, I know their work, quite professional. They did my brothers 15 years ago, and just did my neighbors. Not sure maybe my neighbors' experience was different. But he said when he called them, they asked how many sheets, got a quote and that was that. I am just trying to be fair to everyone involved. They deserve to be paid for their work, however, I'm not sure just telling them I bought 200 sheets is the way to do it.

AGWhitehouse 10-04-2011 02:12 PM

If you're sold on using them, then do your homework with your brother and neighbor. Be prepared to watch them and their sheet usage/waste. Like Bud said, you pay for the waste too, but you shouldn't pay for unneccessary waste just so they can drive their $$ haul up...

sixeightten 10-04-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by yogi_bear_79 (Post 742110)
While normally I would agree, I know their work, quite professional. They did my brothers 15 years ago, and just did my neighbors. Not sure maybe my neighbors' experience was different. But he said when he called them, they asked how many sheets, got a quote and that was that. I am just trying to be fair to everyone involved. They deserve to be paid for their work, however, I'm not sure just telling them I bought 200 sheets is the way to do it.

While I don't approve of their methods, they do go by how many total sheets were used. Not sure what the big deal is here. If it's a problem, call someone else and get another price. This would be like asking roofers to roof by the square, and then taking some money off for the cut offs and leftovers.

Bud Cline 10-04-2011 02:14 PM

Who is going to scrap-out the place and who is paying for that haul? Check it out.:)

yogi_bear_79 10-04-2011 02:15 PM

We are not asking them to hang it. It is hung. We are asking them to tape & plaster it. Is it normal to still pay per sheet bought? I'm not arguing this, just want to make sure I give them a fair count.

Bud Cline 10-04-2011 02:20 PM

OH OK!

Well that's the first I've heard of that. I think that's weird. These other guys may do it that way but we have always paid for the square-foot that was finished plus extras.:)

sixeightten 10-04-2011 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by yogi_bear_79 (Post 742118)
We are not asking them to hang it. It is hung. We are asking them to tape & plaster it. Is it normal to still pay per sheet bought? I'm not arguing this, just want to make sure I give them a fair count.

That is how piece work is done. If you had guys hang it by the sheet it would be the same way. I think it jut saves them from making a wasted trip out. On small easy jobs, drywall is drywall. In theory, it should save you money by them not having to come out and figure up a price. I don't know anyone still doing it this way though.

yogi_bear_79 10-04-2011 02:46 PM

Small rural area, probably a 30-45 min drive one-way for them. A sq ft quote seems fair and accurate. I will probably have all three figures ready, total bought, actual sq ft of ceilings and walls. Total estimated used. Since were careful to limit butt joints to only those necessary, there is more waste. Maybe cause my neighbor had already gotten quotes, he was just happy to get a decent quote/commitment. More than likely I am guessing there will be a site visit. This isn't a small job 92 sheets of 5/8" and 203 sheets of 1/2" bought. 5 sheets of 5/8" leftover, still finishing up the 1/2" so can't say on that front yet.

I know my neighbors job was slightly smaller, and he still dumped 1600lbs of drywall scrap! That's equal to 23 sheets of 1/2 +/-!!

Willie T 10-04-2011 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by yogi_bear_79 (Post 742136)
Small rural area, probably a 30-45 min drive one-way for them. A sq ft quote seems fair and accurate. I will probably have all three figures ready, total bought, actual sq ft of ceilings and walls. Total estimated used. Since were careful to limit butt joints to only those necessary, there is more waste. Maybe cause my neighbor had already gotten quotes, he was just happy to get a decent quote/commitment. More than likely I am guessing there will be a site visit. This isn't a small job 92 sheets of 5/8" and 203 sheets of 1/2" bought. 5 sheets of 5/8" leftover, still finishing up the 1/2" so can't say on that front yet.

I know my neighbors job was slightly smaller, and he still dumped 1600lbs of drywall scrap! That's equal to 23 sheets of 1/2 +/-!!

Considering that about 10% is a pretty conservative number for waste on most any construction job, and drywall often runs considerably higher, that 23 sheets doesn't sound bad on a possible total 230 sheets on your neighbor's job. Just guessing at his count, of course.

BTW, if you had hung your job using the "butt board" method, the finisher might have given you a break simply for the amount of work it would have saved him.

havalife 10-04-2011 06:14 PM

Is the quote for 8' sheets or 12' sheets? What size did you buy.

chrisBC 10-04-2011 08:46 PM

I would just measure the square footage that was boarded. If they want to know how many sheets then divide your square footage into 32 or whatever size sheets you ran. I wouldn't go automatically adding all your waste in on it, just makes the number larger:whistling2: So your scraps, or 10% waste would not be included in the price for finishing, rather than giving them the number of sheets bought. I would think. Some people have more waste than others when boarding.

I've never counted sheets before, always square feet in my experience with drywall, so that's where I would go with it. If they want a more exact method probably better for them to do it, and everyone can agree on a price beforehand.

Bit odd that they leave it up to you, I would have everyone agree on a price and get it in writing before work begins.

oh'mike 10-05-2011 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisBC (Post 742376)

Bit odd that they leave it up to you, I would have everyone agree on a price and get it in writing before work begins.


Before a problem starts----have he come--look at the job and give you a firm price----

He may be a fine taper but he's a weak business man---Let him give you a price ---he needs to feed his family and you need to keep the numbers in line.

Only unhappiness will result if you don't have an agreed price before the work starts.


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