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Old 01-02-2009, 10:02 PM   #16
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Yeah it'll do something alright, pad the bottom line of contractors.
Here is an interesting word from the english vocabulary:

"Negligence" - http://plus.aol.com/aol/reference/ne...gligence?flv=1

Also: "failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances"... (- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/negligence, Definition B.)

FWIW - Below is another interesting word that often goes hand-in-hand with the previous. This would be on the lines of; when an individual has been made aware of something factual, but makes the conscious decision to ignore it, and in doing so, puts themselves in harm's way/in danger of personal injury.
(IMHO, the ignorance and culpability is compounded when such an individual spreads their foolish reasonings on the internet, in such a way as to encourage others to endanger themselves, as well as other individauls, that may be directly/indirectly affected by their decisions & actions):

"Ignorance" - http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07648a.htm

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A medical expert, contractor, and a lawyer... nice.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world won't be calling the hazmat team every time they want to repaint their house.
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A single exposure to asbestos won't do anything. The people that got sick were breathing it in all day every day for years.
Before you toss out advise that may cause harm to others, at least state that you are neither a doctor or an expert in the field and that your "Opinion" is worth what they paid for it. Nothing. Neither is mine, actually, but that should be their choice after they weigh in all of the information.

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Yeah it'll do something alright, pad the bottom line of contractors.
Actually, all of the additional regulations "Costs" substantial more money for the professional contractor who abides by the regulations, so that they are not causing heath risks to their clients. The "Under The Radar" and "Fly By Nighters" may disagree, just because they can do it cheaper without the regulations being observed, but is that the safe, legal and prudent choice?

It is the Hacks who Do Not observe and notify their customers of the necessary precautions that are lining their pockets.

You should make the decision to potentially harm yourself, but not undertake any responsibility to provide erroneous advice to others, please.

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Before you toss out advise that may cause harm to others, at least state that you are neither a doctor or an expert in the field and that your "Opinion" is worth what they paid for it. Nothing. Neither is mine, actually, but that should be their choice after they weigh in all of the information.
I will gladly do so: I am neither a doctor or an expert in the field and my "Opinion" is worth what you paid for it.

Anyone soliciting advice on the Internet is pretty much already aware of this. Otherwise this forum could not exist.

That said, a little research on their own will show that a short term low level exposure is not a risk. They should be aware of the asbestos if it's present, but it's a manageable and relatively small risk.
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...Meanwhile, the rest of the world won't be calling the hazmat team every time they want to repaint their house.
Actually, painting asbestos siding is an encouraged method of "encapsulating" certain asbestos siding material.

Tho, Home Owners may not always need to hire a certified company/individual (based on the exact scope of their project), particular attention/measures MUST be made, due to the dangers of "friable" asbestos material becoming airborne (i.e - from sanding, scraping, and general disturbing aspects of asbestos siding), which may affect adajcent/surrounding homes, and residents.

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http://www.epa.gov/asbestos/pubs/ashome.html

http://www.ehso.com/ehshome/asbestoshomeshingles.php

http://www.ehow.com/how_4464886_pain...os-siding.html

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/askt...214367,00.html
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....That said, a little research on their own will show that a short term low level exposure is not a risk. They should be aware of the asbestos if it's present, but it's a manageable and relatively small risk.
Again, this is your "personal opinion".

I don't know about you, But I would rather not have even a micro-measure of foreign substance "imbeded" in my lungs.

What you interpret as a "small risk" is your own interpretation, based on the value of your own personal health. Much the same as a smoker, couch potatoe, heavy-eater, says that their "certain habits" don't bother them....and they feel just fine.

I may be wrong about this, but you sound pretty young to me. Much like the many young people doing risky things, because they think they are "indestructable". I thought that way up until about 35.
When I lossed my wife at age 30, to a rare disease (that may have been triggered by environmental conditions) I learned that life and personal health is very prescious.

Even if you lose everything in life, you still have your health...or maybe not...based on the personal health decisions that we all have the opportunity to start making.....at an early age...
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AGAIN, this is your "personal opinion".

I don't know about you, But I would rather not have even a micro-measure of foreign substance "imbeded" in my lungs.
I think we can agree that they can research it and decide for themselves. You've given them plenty of links to read.
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Thanks everyone for all your input and info. There's a lot of it in there. I am begining to wonder if it would be easier to replace the ceiling. Is it possible to replace just the ceiling without having to tear down all four walls? The walls are in pretty good shape and we were able to salvage those and if I can avoid re-doing the entier room, I'd like to. Any advice? Thanks everone!!
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Thanks everyone for all your input and info. There's a lot of it in there. I am begining to wonder if it would be easier to replace the ceiling. Is it possible to replace just the ceiling without having to tear down all four walls? The walls are in pretty good shape and we were able to salvage those and if I can avoid re-doing the entier room, I'd like to. Any advice? Thanks everone!!
It is possible to "overlay" the ceiling with either 1/4" or 3/8" sheetrock. Doing so allows you to just leave the existing drywall ceiling up. We do it all the time, when there are ceilings that would require more labor to scrape and skim coat, than (versus) - to simply overlay.
We generally use 1-5/8" to 2" drywall screws. The only part that takes a little time, is locating the joists or strapping to attach the new drywall to. You will end up with a brand new smooth ceiling, that, if done right...no one will know the difference.
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It is possible to "overlay" the ceiling with either 1/4" or 3/8" sheetrock. Doing so allows you to just leave the existing drywall ceiling up. We do it all the time, when there are ceilings that would require more labor to scrape and skim coat, than (versus) - to simply overlay.
We generally use 1-5/8" to 2" drywall screws. The only part that takes a little time, is locating the joists or strapping to attach the new drywall to. You will end up with a brand new smooth ceiling, that, if done right...no one will know the difference.

Great!! Thanks for the tip!! I will definitely try that, as that sounds a lot easier than skim-coating a whole ceiling.

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i guess this is a bad time to bring up the subject of lead paint?
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i'm currently strapping my ceiling cause its in rough shape. i am using 1x3 spruce strapping. the screws are 2 1/2" #8 wood screws, they are longer than normal because i have to get through the strapping, then the plaster, then the lath and then into the joist.

the joists are hard to find, and stud sensors are no good in my case. i rely on finding the first one, and then 16" on center with measuring tape to find the rest of them.

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A single exposure to asbestos won't do anything. The people that got sick were breathing it in all day every day for years.
Wow, ignorance IS bliss. One fiber can do it, that's all it takes. Don't spread you ill found knowledge, it could hurt someone.

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