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Old 07-25-2014, 12:14 AM   #1
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Getting drywall hung/tapped and bullnose corner bead installed. The hanger didn't do too bad of a job, except for these.



As far as I'm concerned, that's drywall 101, and I'm going to have him fix these.

Now for the corner bead. The guy that put the corner bead on (not the hanger) has been dry walling for 20+ years and claimed he has put a lot of bullnose up.







My biggest concerns are these:
  • He used nails instead of spray adhesive.
  • the drywall is cut back too far in the corners leaving about 1/4" to 1/2" of overlap between drywall and mud flange in some places.
  • the bottom corner pieces are not installed at the same height (as if he eyeballed them).
  • mud flange is twisted and mangled in a lot of areas.

I've put bullnose up myself in other places in the house and been very happy with the result, but no one could stay in business at the pace I work. Am I being too critical of his work to this point, or is this looking like a bad install?

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Old 07-25-2014, 02:42 AM   #2
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looks mighty nasty to me

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When finish mud is done most of those will be hidden but it's still a bad job.
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:26 PM   #4
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Toolseeker is correct in my opinion.A bad job but can still finish out good if they have better finishers than hangers.I'm wondering why they left the casing on and gutted to it instead of removing it and doing it correct?
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:53 PM   #5
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After re-looking ending the drywall and putting those seams at the corners of the windows and the corner of any door is a guarantee you will get cracks. It's not if it's when. That is hanging 101. Also you don't put a seam in the middle of a door or window either. I don't see any but be aware.
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Also you don't put a seam in the middle of a door or window either.
I've never heard that one before!

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When finish mud is done most of those will be hidden but it's still a bad job.
I realize that the mud will hide it all, I'm just worried that every piece will wind up cracking. After the third warranty call I'll kill the guy when he shows up, that's if he ever shows up to the first warranty call. Would using hot mud instead of green lid be something to specify in this case, or would it be best to kick him to the curb and get a different finisher?
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I rarely say this because usually there are 2 sides to a story but from the pics I think I would look for somebody else. Nails instead of glue isn't that bad. but the cuts and the alignment on the corners is bad.

Bullnose is a different animal from regular corner bead and will show mistakes a lot more. It's really hard to tell in the pics but it doesn't look like the drywall is set back. Take a level and make sure it's straight. This will all show with bullnose.
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I rarely say this because usually there are 2 sides to a story but from the pics I think I would look for somebody else. Nails instead of glue isn't that bad. but the cuts and the alignment on the corners is bad.

Bullnose is a different animal from regular corner bead and will show mistakes a lot more. It's really hard to tell in the pics but it doesn't look like the drywall is set back. Take a level and make sure it's straight. This will all show with bullnose.
That's the second thing I noticed was that the corners were badly mitered. A few are so bad that there is no way he is going to hide it with mud. The drywall is cut back, but too far in my opinion. I've cut flush with the stud and I've also shaved a square corner back with a rasp and both times the mud flange sat completely on top of drywall. This is cut so far back that at most half of the flange is sitting on drywall. My wife and I discussed this at length and after she told me about a few conversations she overheard the drywallers having this is what we've decided. He's already been called and told that no further work is to be done until we have a face to face meeting. We will demand that the joints overtop of the windows be fixed, all bullnose removed, the hammer damaged drywall be replaced, and new bullnose hung properly, at no charge to us. I'm sure he'll balk and at that point I'll tell him to walk. At that point we'll start looking for another drywaller, but be much more careful this time.
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As Phil Rizzuto used to say HOLY COW! Reminds me of the song 9 lb hammer. Apparently "finesse" is not in this guys vocabulary. I always hang drywall horizontal, and I just cut out for the doors and windows. I like cupped edges, so I buy the drywall to span the room, since it comes in so many sizes. Boy, this is rough.
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Well.... I'm sure glad I'm not trying to finish that....

...matter of fact, you otta be glad also that I'm not finishing that.

Good luck!!!!! You're gonna need it.

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BTW.... in answer to your question :Am I being too critical?

NO.. I don't think so.... rock and beading is not cabinetry.... but I would be livid and using the F word with any sub that left that for my finisher.

This is a classic example and weakness of "specialazation",,, where one trade/job performs substandard work with the expectectation that the next trade will have to cover their deficiencies....
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how come he didn't use the pre molded corner pieces ? the drywall can be worked with but would have done better with the bead work . they make a pre molded corner though like the bottom piece transition .
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Trim tex is to use divergant staples plus adhisive. And i would with hold payment till fixed.
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Seams on the corners of doors and Windows.

Nailing up the corner instead of glue and staples.

Hacked up jacked up corners.

Gotta say that's a pretty nasty job. Did a blind guy with no thumbs do it?
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Wow,
That's some job they did on the corner bead.

I remember watching guys use a tool to install metal corner bead and the thing looked absolutely perfect when they were done. I've also seen them done with nails and looked near perfect as well.

It looks like your guys not only would've bent the hell out of a metal corner bead, but they even beat the crap out of the drywall.
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Now for the corner bead. The guy that put the corner bead on (not the hanger) has been dry walling for 20+ years and claimed he has put a lot of bullnose up.
Oh, if only I had a dollar for every guy who said he had a lot of experience who actually did a ****ty job.... well I don't know what I'd do exactly but I sure wouldn't be hanging around these forums any more!

Practice doesn't make perfect, it just makes habits. He learned to do ****ty work 20 years ago and he's been doing it that way ever since, with nary an hour off to study or improve. So sad, yet so common.

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